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Discussion => Infrastructure => Topic started by: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 18, 2018, 12:23:55 PM

Title: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 18, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
On mt way past the depot yesterday, noticed they've started to strip the old building down.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Bus 400 on September 28, 2018, 11:27:23 PM
Drove past Woden Depot today & it's totally flattened this week.

Not sure if the rumors about the Darts being left behind before the demolition began are true or not though...

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Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on September 29, 2018, 11:18:04 AM
They were all moved over to Fyshwick a few days before the fence wrapping went up.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 16, 2019, 07:48:13 AM
Didn't take long to demolish everything, but it certainly seems like they're taking their sweet ass time to decide to build something. Won't be much of a depot if all the buses are to be sitting on dirt and ashes.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Busnerd on April 16, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
Not sure why there'd be ashes there unless they burnt the old depot down...

Haven't looked too closely at the site to see what is happening but given it used to be an old depot, it is possible there is old underground fuel tanks which would have to be removed and the area made 'clean'/safe again prior to any new underground tanks going in, although most new depots now use above ground tanks which are cheaper to fix and replace.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Barry Drive on January 27, 2022, 10:12:33 AM
A new contract titled "Independent Commissioning Agent for Woden Bus Depot" has recently been posted.

It looks to be a quality assurance role for the build process.

Of interest, the contract mentions the depot will cater for 104 buses and is due for completion by December 2022.

I haven't seen an actual contract for the construction.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Bus 400 on January 27, 2022, 04:25:34 PM
I'll believe when I see it.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Stan butler on January 27, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Catering for 104 buses and due for completion in dec 2022?   Yeah right.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Barry Drive on February 15, 2022, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Stan butler on January 27, 2022, 08:32:14 PMCatering for 104 buses and due for completion in dec 2022?  Yeah right.
Are you suggesting that a pile of dirt, where there is no (known) contract can't be transformed into a working depot for 50 buses* in less than 10 months?

* in the budget estimates, it was mentioned that "stage 1" would house 50 buses, although that doesn't tell us what will be left for stage 2. Workshops perhaps?

In any event, Woden Depot will only need to be ready to take the non-leased electric buses. Since that tender hasn't been issued yet, there may not be a need to hurry.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 15, 2022, 01:24:54 PM
With how carparks and skyscrapers are being made nowdays, would a two-story bus depot really be too much of an ask?
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Stan butler on February 15, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: Barry Drive on February 15, 2022, 10:43:44 AMAre you suggesting that a pile of dirt, where there is no (known) contract can't be transformed into a working depot for 50 buses* in less than 10 months?

* in the budget estimates, it was mentioned that "stage 1" would house 50 buses, although that doesn't tell us what will be left for stage 2. Workshops perhaps?

In any event, Woden Depot will only need to be ready to take the non-leased electric buses. Since that tender hasn't been issued yet, there may not be a need to hurry.

Look how long it has taken them to complete the new Turner layover......  i think that was originally meant to take 6 months too.  Yes I know Covid may have been a factor in some regards, but the delay cannot be fully put down to Covid issues.  FWIW it appears they are still working on it too.

Roadworks in general are very slow - have you seen the cordoned off section in jabbanunga st in ngunnawal.  That particular section has been like that for well over a year - and it seems to be getting worse and yet there is still no signs of any more work on it.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Barry Drive on May 06, 2022, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: Barry Drive on January 27, 2022, 10:12:33 AMI haven't seen an actual contract for the construction.
It is now May. Still no contract and no sign of work commencing at Woden Depot.

Guess you can't rush these things.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on May 06, 2022, 05:17:47 PM
With all the construction going on around Canberra now, it's possible that there's no one left to do the work. If only the government or somewould could push the construction industry more to make them have more people doing each job one at a time - get tf on with it so to speak so other stuff like this can get focused on.
Does this continued delay mean that the Renaults may not actually be getting replaced as soon as TC were hoping/expecting?
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Bus 400 on May 06, 2022, 06:45:10 PM
I'm sticking with Belconnen getting light rail before a bus depot in Woden.

A good Opposition would ask what's the 10-15+ year hold up?
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: triumph on May 08, 2022, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on May 06, 2022, 05:17:47 PMWith all the construction going on around Canberra now, it's possible that there's no one left to do the work. If only the government or somewould could push the construction industry more to make them have more people doing each job one at a time - get tf on with it so to speak so other stuff like this can get focused on.
Does this continued delay mean that the Renaults may not actually be getting replaced as soon as TC were hoping/expecting?
Don't hold your breath. Aren't the new electric buses going to be housed, at least temporarily, at existing depots?
Also TC is under the pump to meet disability access rules by retiring the Renaults ASAP.

Your first point is very relevant - there is a severe shortage of skilled project resources Nationwide. At a meeting I recently attended a TC person stated that this shortage is a main driver in the timing of the Light Rail extension to Commonwealth Ave. The result being that the raising of London Circuit will come before the extension rather than being fully integrated with it.

Resolving the shortage is not as easy as chucking money at it (except to wastefully compete with some other project auction style). Building up capacity takes time for training and organisation development, then to justify industry making the investment there needs to be reasonable assurance of a pipeline of projects. The alternative is to import the resources and leave out Australians, and that is a political debate for another forum.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Barry Drive on November 12, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: Barry Drive on January 27, 2022, 10:12:33 AM... is due for completion by December 2022.

I haven't seen an actual contract for the construction.
On the City Services website, there is now a page for the Woden Bus Depot (https://www.cityservices.act.gov.au/Infrastructure-Projects/woden-weston-creek-and-molonglo/woden-bus-depot) project.

Construction

Start date: November 2022

Expected completion date: late 2024


But there still isn't a published contract. This may also mean that the promised 90 battery electric buses cannot commence service prior to this date, unless there are upgrades planned for the existing depots.
Title: Re: Woden Depot Discussion
Post by: Barry Drive on February 09, 2024, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: Barry Drive on November 12, 2022, 10:55:33 AMBut there still isn't a published contract.
To correct the record: as mentioned here (https://www.actbus.net/forum/index.php?topic=4631.0), the 2018 contract is still valid and has been varied multiple times. The current value is $30m, but there will be a further variation soon to include the 50 or so bus chargers.

There has also been a contract (worth $5.9m) with ActewAGL to provide a high voltage connection to the Wanniassa sub-station.



I went past the Woden Depot building site recently. Was quite impressed with how much has gone up, especially since it was just a vacant lot for so long.