July 02, 2022, 10:26:22 AM

Woden Depot Discussion

Started by Sylvan Loves Buses, July 18, 2018, 12:23:55 PM

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Sylvan Loves Buses

On mt way past the depot yesterday, noticed they've started to strip the old building down.

Bus 400

Drove past Woden Depot today & it's totally flattened this week.

Not sure if the rumors about the Darts being left behind before the demolition began are true or not though...

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Sylvan Loves Buses

They were all moved over to Fyshwick a few days before the fence wrapping went up.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Didn't take long to demolish everything, but it certainly seems like they're taking their sweet ass time to decide to build something. Won't be much of a depot if all the buses are to be sitting on dirt and ashes.

Busnerd

Not sure why there'd be ashes there unless they burnt the old depot down...

Haven't looked too closely at the site to see what is happening but given it used to be an old depot, it is possible there is old underground fuel tanks which would have to be removed and the area made 'clean'/safe again prior to any new underground tanks going in, although most new depots now use above ground tanks which are cheaper to fix and replace.

Barry Drive

A new contract titled "Independent Commissioning Agent for Woden Bus Depot" has recently been posted.

It looks to be a quality assurance role for the build process.

Of interest, the contract mentions the depot will cater for 104 buses and is due for completion by December 2022.

I haven't seen an actual contract for the construction.

Bus 400


Stan butler

Catering for 104 buses and due for completion in dec 2022?   Yeah right.

Barry Drive

Quote from: Stan butler on January 27, 2022, 07:32:14 PMCatering for 104 buses and due for completion in dec 2022?  Yeah right.
Are you suggesting that a pile of dirt, where there is no (known) contract can't be transformed into a working depot for 50 buses* in less than 10 months?

* in the budget estimates, it was mentioned that "stage 1" would house 50 buses, although that doesn't tell us what will be left for stage 2. Workshops perhaps?

In any event, Woden Depot will only need to be ready to take the non-leased electric buses. Since that tender hasn't been issued yet, there may not be a need to hurry.

Sylvan Loves Buses

With how carparks and skyscrapers are being made nowdays, would a two-story bus depot really be too much of an ask?

Stan butler

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 15, 2022, 09:43:44 AMAre you suggesting that a pile of dirt, where there is no (known) contract can't be transformed into a working depot for 50 buses* in less than 10 months?

* in the budget estimates, it was mentioned that "stage 1" would house 50 buses, although that doesn't tell us what will be left for stage 2. Workshops perhaps?

In any event, Woden Depot will only need to be ready to take the non-leased electric buses. Since that tender hasn't been issued yet, there may not be a need to hurry.

Look how long it has taken them to complete the new Turner layover......  i think that was originally meant to take 6 months too.  Yes I know Covid may have been a factor in some regards, but the delay cannot be fully put down to Covid issues.  FWIW it appears they are still working on it too.

Roadworks in general are very slow - have you seen the cordoned off section in jabbanunga st in ngunnawal.  That particular section has been like that for well over a year - and it seems to be getting worse and yet there is still no signs of any more work on it.

Barry Drive

Quote from: Barry Drive on January 27, 2022, 09:12:33 AMI haven't seen an actual contract for the construction.
It is now May. Still no contract and no sign of work commencing at Woden Depot.

Guess you can't rush these things.

Sylvan Loves Buses

With all the construction going on around Canberra now, it's possible that there's no one left to do the work. If only the government or somewould could push the construction industry more to make them have more people doing each job one at a time - get tf on with it so to speak so other stuff like this can get focused on.
Does this continued delay mean that the Renaults may not actually be getting replaced as soon as TC were hoping/expecting?

Bus 400

I'm sticking with Belconnen getting light rail before a bus depot in Woden.

A good Opposition would ask what's the 10-15+ year hold up?

triumph

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on May 06, 2022, 05:17:47 PMWith all the construction going on around Canberra now, it's possible that there's no one left to do the work. If only the government or somewould could push the construction industry more to make them have more people doing each job one at a time - get tf on with it so to speak so other stuff like this can get focused on.
Does this continued delay mean that the Renaults may not actually be getting replaced as soon as TC were hoping/expecting?
Don't hold your breath. Aren't the new electric buses going to be housed, at least temporarily, at existing depots?
Also TC is under the pump to meet disability access rules by retiring the Renaults ASAP.

Your first point is very relevant - there is a severe shortage of skilled project resources Nationwide. At a meeting I recently attended a TC person stated that this shortage is a main driver in the timing of the Light Rail extension to Commonwealth Ave. The result being that the raising of London Circuit will come before the extension rather than being fully integrated with it.

Resolving the shortage is not as easy as chucking money at it (except to wastefully compete with some other project auction style). Building up capacity takes time for training and organisation development, then to justify industry making the investment there needs to be reasonable assurance of a pipeline of projects. The alternative is to import the resources and leave out Australians, and that is a political debate for another forum.