The challenge is to name Canberra streets which have only one set of bus stops (or even just a single stop) for the entire length of the street. School only stops are not considered.
Must be an active stop at the time of submission.
Each person can only submit one street name at a time and cannot submit consecutive entries.
A previous correct submission cannot be repeated.
The winner will be whomever makes the last correct entry.
To get started, I'll go with an obvious one: Watkin Street, Bruce.
Here is a consolidated list of all () correct entries so far, sorted alphabetically:
Abena Ave
Albany St
Amsinck St
Annabelle View
Barraclough Cres
Battye St
Burrumarra Av
Barry Drive
Beetaloo St
Benham St
Bielski St
Bindubi St
Bremer Street
Brierley St
Brisbane Ave
Callam Street
Cape Street
Chauvel St
Clancy St
Collie St
Comrie Street
Cox St
Crackajack Way
Curran Dr
Currong St
Cussen Street
Dakota Drive
Dalrymple Street
David Warren Rd
Donaldson Street
Dookie St
Doonkuna St
Drumston St
Dunstan Street
Eardley St
Eastern Valley Way
Ebden St
Emu Bank
Eucumbene Drive
Euree St
Federal Hwy
Federation Mall
Felstead Vista
Findlay St
Flemington Road
Forlonge St
Francis Forde Blvd
Franklin St
Galmarra St
General Bridges Drive
Ginninderra Drive
Gozzard St
Grampians st
Grenfell Ave
Gungahlin Dr
Handbury Way
Harold White Av
Hawker Place
Hazel St
Hebblewhite St
Henry Williams St
Hodgson Cres
Hovea St
Ipima St
Ipswich St
Jane Sutherland Street
Jenolan St
Jerrabomberra Avenue
Johnson Drive
Kambah Pool Road
King Edward Tce
Kings Av
Kingsland Parade
Kondelea Way
Lachlan St
Langton Crescent
Laurens St
Len Waters St
Leverrier St
Longmore Cres
Mabo Blvd
Macarthur Ave
MacKinnon Street
Macnaughton St
Majura Rd
Marrawah St
Mawson Dr
McGinness St
McIntyre St
Melrose Dr
Mobourne St
Molonglo Drive
Monaro Crescent
Morisset Rd
Morrison Cct
Moyes Cres
Ngunawal Drive
Noorooma Street
Northcott Dr
O'Connell St
Ogilby Cres
Opperman St
O'Reilly St
Parkes Place
Parliament Drive
Preddy Way
Proctor St
Redruth St
Renmark St
Rimmer St
Roden Cutler Drive
Ross Smith Crescent
Sainsbury Street
Scollay st
Scrivener St
Shoalhaven Ave
State Circle
Sydney Ave
Terminal Avenue
Thynne St
Tobruk Road
Tuggeranong Parkway
Tyagarah St
Vowels Cres
Watkin Street
Wattle St
Webber Cres
Were St
West Row
Whitrod Ave
Wiburd St
Wilkins St
Wisdom Street
Wollongong St
Woodcock Drive
Zakharov Av
Tobruk Road, Campbell (Duntroon)
Probably the longest piece of road with 1 set of bus stops, Tuggeranong Parkway, Kambah
Abena Ave, Crace
Slight ambiguity 'school only' - does this mean stops the public can use served by scheduled public route services diverting/extending, as well as stops served only by dedicated school services? I can think of a couple of single stops in the first category.
My submission is Morisset Rd. There is a single stop at Bimberi served by some rte 18 services.
Jenolan St, Harrison
Tyagarah St, O'Malley.
Doonkuna St, Braddon/Reid
In Casey there are two such streets.
Kingsland Parade
Quote from: triumph on December 23, 2021, 09:59:26 PMSlight ambiguity 'school only' - does this mean stops the public can use served by scheduled public route services diverting/extending, as well as stops served only by dedicated school services?
The idea was just the normal bus routes / bus stops.
Quote from: ajw373 on December 24, 2021, 10:07:48 AMIn Casey there are two such streets.
Please refer to the rules: one street name at a time. (Your entry has been modified.)
Dalrymple Street.
O'Reilly St, Macgregor
London Cct has only one stop travelling anti-clockwise.
Invalid answer
Bremer Street, Griffith
Barry Drive
Scollay st Tuggeranong
Dookie St, Farrer
Working on the basis that the City Interchange is 'one set of stops', Mort St.
❌ Invalid answer
Cussen Street, Higgins.
I don't see why there's the need for those silly answers, there's still plenty to choose from.
Kambah Pool Road, Kambah.
Eardley St, Bruce
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on December 26, 2021, 02:33:18 PMI don't see why there's the need for those silly answers, there's still plenty to choose from.
Why 'silly'? There is one stop marked on the road each side of Mort St. Canberra urban bus services use only one 'platform/stop' each side. There is a through service (rte 53) using each of those stops. The remaining platforms are for regional and school services neither of which should be relevant. Seemed to me to be similar to any urban stop set only represented once in a street. Note that the next set of stops nearer London Circuit are in a different street, East Row. Gungahlin Place is similar except no through services. I couldn't see why it shouldn't be worth a try.
The rules look pretty clear to me "one set of bus stops (or even just a single stop)".
If anything, a bus interchange would be considered a cluster rather than a set, just my opinion though.
I had hoped this would be a straightforward exercise. So since it looks like it needs a ruling, every platform at an interchange where services commence is regarded as a single stop. In the case of Mort Street the stops are regarded as single stops, rather than as a 'set' of stops even though one through-route uses both sides.
The same rule will apply to Gungahlin Place, due to services commencing from both sides.
Where this rule doesn't apply is where services do not regularly commence or terminate at an "interchange". Therefore a valid answer (and my next submission) is:
Cape Street, Dickson
How many submissions can we have?
Cox St, Ainslie (this street has a single stop only btw).
Preddy Way, Gordon
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on December 26, 2021, 08:13:18 PMThe rules look pretty clear to me "one set of bus stops (or even just a single stop)".
If anything, a bus interchange would be considered a cluster rather than a set, just my opinion though.
Ta. Cluster? You got me in a fluster checking the dictionary, and ready to bluster, but cluster versus set is just semantics. My objective was to clear the unusual but apparently valid ones out early on so that the issue wouldn't arise at the winning post with consequent appeals and stewards reviews. You will note that the rules have now been clarified, so all is still good. (Incidentally Alinga St was easy to discard as it has a separate City West stop for arriving services - also rte 53?? Doesn't matter.)
Felstead Vista, Denman Prospect
David Warren Rd, Hume
Another street with a single bus stop only,
Northcott Dr， Majura
Bielski St, Denman Prospect
Quote from: narc855 on December 26, 2021, 09:38:47 PMHow many submissions can we have?
As far as I can see, there's at least 50 more possible valid guesses. Should be interesting to see how many more of these people will get. Can't wait to see who'll get the last one!
Laurens St, Wanniassa.
Terminal Avenue, Pialligo
Johnson Drive
Dunstan Street, Curtin.
Ogilby Cres Page
Were St, Calwell
Grampians st, palmerston
Annabelle View, Coombs
Jane Sutherland Street, Conder.
Majura Rd, Pialligo
Webber Cresc, Calwell
Drumston St, Isabella Plains
Wiburd St, Conder
Ipswich St, Fyshwick
Wattle St, Lyneham
Opperman St, Denman
Hebblewhite St, Monash
Kondolea Way, Denman Prospect
Catalina Dr, Pialligo
❌ Invalid answer please wait for three other valid entries before another submission
Quote from: Toyota Camry on December 28, 2021, 08:19:56 PMCatalina Dr, Pialligo
You sure about that? I think there are two stops in Catalina Dr which are well separated.
Dakota Ave, Pialligo
⚠️ not your turn please wait for three other entries before another submission
Sorry, Dakota is a Drive, not an Avenue.
Just a reminder: there is no prize.
Ebden St, Ainslie
Crackerjack Way, Moncrieff
I'm surprised no one went for the other option after my first.
There's another in Duntroon/ADFA - General Bridges Drive.
Hawker Place
Catalina Dr, Pialligo
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❌ did you think that would work? Still an invalid answer - you are now disqualified from this game
Emu Bank Belconnen
McIntyre St, Narrabundah
Donaldson Street, Braddon
King Edward Tce, Parkes
Jerrabomberra Avenue, Narrabundah
Monaro Crescent, Red Hill.
Assume AIS Arena is an active stop,
Leverrier St, Bruce
Chauvel St, Campbell
Lachlan St, Macquarie
Euree St, Reid
Assume two person are using the "triumph" account.
Wisdom Street, Hughes
Quote from: narc855 on December 31, 2021, 12:57:56 PMAssume two person are using the "triumph" account.
Wisdom Street, Hughes
No.
Rules said one name per submission, and no consecutive submissions by the same person. Accordingly, I wait till at least one subsequent submission before making another. What I hadn't expected and didn't actually know at the time, was that an 'invalid' submission would not be counted as a submission.... .
At times there have been quite long time gaps between submissions too. Amazing how many submissions have already been made - about 58.
Ok, you have made an apparently valid submission, so now I can make another.
Currong St, Reid
I think in fairness it's how many submissions are made until you can make another, not how long between each there is. I would give at least 3 other users a chance before I post another - even if that meant me losing the game.
Apart from a few questionable answers, I've crossed off all so far to a list I made of one-stop-roads and I will say there's no need to panic, there's still plenty left to choose from. If by having a list counts for me to be disqualified, I'll delete it. My original assumption was way off however, I still see at least 60 or so valid streets.
There are a few I would question; does Callam Street, Phillip count?
⚠️ is that your submission? - yes, that's my submission
✅ It could be argued either way, would need to check the official ACT Map to be certain, but I would regard platforms 5 6 & 7 to NOT be on Callam St, so yes it's valid.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on December 31, 2021, 07:16:36 PMI think in fairness it's how many submissions are made until you can make another, not how long between each there is. I would give at least 3 other users a chance before I post another - even if that meant me losing the game.
I don't see your point. A play (submission) can be made by any competitor when they like except if they made the most recent play. In which case they have to wait for someone else to make a play.
A play does not remove an opportunity for anyone else to compete, (at least while lots more options exist, and when they don't - well that's the essence of the game).
Have a great New Year.
[redacted]
❗ Since Toyota Camry cannot follow simple rules, he/she has now been permanently banned from the forum.
Ginninderra Drive (stop #3434 in Dunlop).
Probably the longest road with a single stop.
Ross Smith Crescent Scullin
Harold White Av, Coombs
Renmark st Duffy
Scrivener St, O'Connor
Sainsbury Street, Wanniassa
Parkes Place East, Parkes
Comrie Street, Wanniassa
A suggestion.
As there are fewer streets avaliable, should we change the rule for next submission to "48hrs after the previous submission or after three submissions".
There's still over 50 to go, I don't think we need that yet.
Yes these will always be my submissions (You can make it invalid if you feel it's not allowed). Another questionable one I have is a school stop that is serviced by a network run. Barnard Circuit - St Francis Xavier College.
❌ invalid answer refer to post #9. Does not apply to school only stops and school diversion stops. No penalty (this time).
That stop is not "active" under this timetable and it is actually a SSO stop.
For example, there is one R4 depart from Alfred Deakin High School every school afternoon. You won't be allowed to ride it from the school stop although it is NOT a school student only service. You may join from Woden Interchange.
Therefore I am assuming other schools also prevent other people joinging a network run from their school stops.
Quote from: narc855 on January 05, 2022, 01:12:27 PMThat stop is not "active" under this timetable and it is actually a SSO stop.
For example, there is one R4 depart from Alfred Deakin High School every school afternoon. You won't be allowed to ride it from the school stop although it is NOT a school student only service. You may join from Woden Interchange.
Therefore I am assuming other schools also prevent other people joinging a network run from their school stops.
I have joined a variety of publicly scheduled (as opposed to school student only) from school stops (including those with grounds) with absolutely no issues. Specifically R4 and R5 from Alfred Deakin where the boarding supervisor went out of their way to ensure the students made space. (My view is it is in the published public timetable and therefore is available to the public to use.) I would comment that the public services from Alfred Deakin, unlike most public services from other schools, are very full and boarding denial could well be related to the bus being full.
Langton Crescent, Parkes
McGinness st, Scullin
Noorooma Street, Isabella Plains
Benham St, Chisholm
Eucumebene Drive, Duffy
Ipima St, Braddon
Rimmer St, Acton
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on January 05, 2022, 11:01:59 AM❌ invalid answer refer to post #9. Does not apply to school only stops and school diversion stops. No penalty (this time).
No school stops, gotchya. That clarifies 'Woodcock Drive, Gordon' for me.
MacKinnon Street, Wanniassa
Brisbane Ave, Barton
The first post has been modified to include a list of all correct entries to this point. I'll update it regularly.
Vowels Crescent
Beetaloo street, Hawker
Barraclough Cres, Monash.
Quote from: Barry Drive on January 08, 2022, 09:57:02 AMThe first post has been modified to include a list of all correct entries to this point. I'll update it regularly.
Vowels Crescent
I can't find it, don't know why the first post I see is "Abena Ave, Crace" by Stan bulter.
My submission: Franklin Street, Manuka (stop 2327, used by 830 service)
Quote from: narc855 on January 08, 2022, 11:38:38 AMI can't find it, don't know why the first post I see is "Abena Ave, Crace" by Stan bulter.
My submission: Franklin Street, Manuka (stop 2327, used by 830 service)
Go to bottom of your current entries and should see blue 2 or similar highlight. Now highlight the adjacent '1' and go to top to find entry you are looking for. On some computers procedure is similar but start by going to top. Hope that helps.
So we are accepting non-TC serviced stops?
Marrawah St, Lyons
Quote from: triumph on January 08, 2022, 12:31:59 PMSo we are accepting non-TC serviced stops?
The rules stated "active bus stops", excluding school stops. No restriction on operators. So, yes.
Roden Cutler Drive, Bonner/Jacka
Hazel St, Oaks Estate.
Mawson Drive, Mawson
Forlonge St, Wanniassa
Quote from: narc855 on January 08, 2022, 11:38:38 AMI can't find it, don't know why the first post I see is "Abena Ave, Crace" by Stan bulter.
My submission: Franklin Street, Manuka (stop 2327, used by 830 service)
When I replied earlier both my computer and mobile would take me back as described. But now, like your experience both are halting at Abena St. No idea why.
Albany st, Fyshwick
Interstingly enough, Federal Hwy
Melrose Dr, Phillip
Wollongong St, Fyshwick
Parliament Drive.
(It's a set.)
Burramurra st Ngunnawal
Federation Mall, Capital Hill
Hovea st, O'Connor
Wilkins St, Mawson
Since no one wants a go
O'Connell St, Ainslie
Vowels Cres, Bruce
❌ already used. Please wait for two valid answers before playing again.
Amsinck St, Wanniassa
Galmarra St, Ngunnawal
Still quite a few in Gungahlin left.
Kings Avenue.
State Circle
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on January 14, 2022, 12:54:39 PMKings Avenue.
This one could be a bit tricky.
The stop IDs for two stops on Kings Ave are 3012 and 3028 which are not adjacent.
Their names are "Edmund Barton Building Kings Av" and "Kings Av before King Edward Tce" which are irrelevant.
So I prefer to treat them as two separate stops.
(Discussion only, it's obivously reasonable to treat them as a set of stops.)
Clancy St, Evatt
Quote from: narc855 on January 15, 2022, 09:10:25 AMThis one could be a bit tricky.
The stop IDs for two stops on Kings Ave are 3012 and 3028 which are not adjacent.
I would say the same could be said for a couple others, most notably Parliament Drive, but that's been allowed.
Zakharov Avenue, Forde.
William Slim Dr (but not for long)
❌ this is an invalid answer. William Slim Drive does not exist.
Quote from: Northside on January 15, 2022, 11:22:14 PMWilliam Slim Dr (but not for long)
❌ this is an invalid answer. William Slim Drive does not exist.
Very interesting and tough ruling. When I was last that way the signage was not changed.
It is reported the Minister approved the name change to Gundaroo Dr about a year ago BUT the signage change was only to be implemented with the duplication works. Analagous to a law passed by Parliament but not yet put into effect pending regulations. I would argue that until the signage has been changed, it is still effectively William Slim Drive (think accident reports, insurance claims, calls to emergency services, etc would almost all cite the displayed name). Notably for this game, Transport Canberra mapping and
stop identification is not yet changed either. More difficult is Gundaroo Dr doesn't qualify as a game answer.
For game purposes at this point there is no practical effect as the final few names have not been reached and Northside has not been penalised. So just academic ( but I was saving it for a much later try if it had remained available.....).
On the topic of game conclusion, perhaps it is time to tell us the finalisation rules. eg how long does the last apparent entry have to stand before being declared the winner, or will a time limited warning be issued, or ??? ?
Mabo Boulevarde
Gozzard St, Gungahlin
The front page list requires an update now I think.
Quote from: triumph on January 16, 2022, 12:23:52 PMVery interesting and tough ruling.
All valid points. However, the name change was gazetted in Feb 2021.
The fact that the signs and stop name descriptions have not been updated is not within our control.
Also, no penalty.
As for the completion of the game: I'm thinking of a 7 day limit - once 7 days have passed the final entry will be the winner.
While I'm here: after further consideration of what constitutes a "set" of bus stops, the answer Johnson Dr is now ruled invalid since each stop serves different routes and are therefore two stops rather than a set. No penalty.
Chewings Street❌ incorrect. I'll now penalise myself by waiting 3 valid answers.
Quote from: Northside on January 15, 2022, 11:22:14 PMWilliam Slim Dr (but not for long)
❌ this is an invalid answer. William Slim Drive does not exist.
Well, you learn something new every day.
MacArthur Av, O'Connor
Quote from: Barry Drive on January 16, 2022, 05:16:48 PMWhile I'm here: after further consideration of what constitutes a "set" of bus stops, the answer Johnson Dr is now ruled invalid since each stop serves different routes and are therefore two stops rather than a set. No penalty.
On this basis, now that a 'set' is ruled as being the same route number as well as being geographical, I withdraw my previous submission 'State Circle'.
Also, given that a number of routes particularly in Gungahlin and Tuggeranong are different route numbers in reverse (clock/anticlock) directions, all other submissions will now need to be checked for compliance and for anyone caught up (like I was) by thus being in the position of making successive submissions. Might be easier to just revert to the geographical standard.
Whitrod Avenue, Casey. (Route 28)
Handbury Way, Forde
Sydney Ave Barton/Forrest (842)
Curran Drive. (I even checked before posting this time.)
Quote from: triumph on January 17, 2022, 08:03:42 AMAlso, given that a number of routes particularly in Gungahlin and Tuggeranong are different route numbers in reverse (clock/anticlock) directions, all other submissions will now need to be checked for compliance and for anyone caught up (like I was) by thus being in the position of making successive submissions. Might be easier to just revert to the geographical standard
Don't agree bi-directional loop routes should be treated as two separate routes. In the same way there's a "set" or "pair" of stops, they're a "paired" set of routes and should be considered the same as a in/out route from A to B because they service the same places.
So, to see if others agree: Grenfell Ave, Taylor.
Don't think it makes any sense to be treated as two separate routes neither.
Henry Williams St, Bonner
Mobourne Street, Bonner
Quote from: King of Buses on January 17, 2022, 08:30:53 PMDon't agree bi-directional loop routes should be treated as two separate routes. In the same way there's a "set" or "pair" of stops, they're a "paired" set of routes and should be considered the same as a in/out route from A to B because they service the same places.
So, to see if others agree: Grenfell Ave, Taylor.
Agreed, but that is not what was determined - separate routes, separate stops. Definitional problems again, what is a route? A route has a route number - different number, different route. This is a strict interpretation and no different to the strictness applied in dealing with the name for former William Slim Drive.
God, so much fussing over a game with...
Quote from: Barry Drive on December 28, 2021, 10:49:29 PMJust a reminder: there is no prize.
Macnaughton Street, Higgins
I'd say this set business about routes is getting a bit persnickety. Johnson Dr is a set, they both serve the park and ride. It just so happens that one route serves one side of the stop and two different routes serve the other die to recent route changes. Many stop sets are located either side of an intersection and when a route changes to only serve one side of the stop, it doesn't make that set any less of a set. Just my opinion.
Anyway, Eastern Valley Way
Shoalhaven Ave, Amaroo
In my opinion, a "route" could be the same alignment OR the same number.
1. 19 and 20 are the same route because both of them are described as "Gungahlin loop via Forde, Bonner and Amaroo".
2. not apply in Canberra, but does apply in Sydney. 642x (Round Corner Shops to Cherrybrook Station) and 642x peak version (Round Corner Shops to Kent Street City) are the same route because they have the same route number.
My submission: Francis Forde Blvd, Forde.
Redruth Street, Crace
Bindubi St, Cook/Aranda
⚠️ close. It's actually Macquarie (Stop 4494)
Thanks for the correction
Can't believe it took this long:
Moyes Cres
I'm surprised, I have my own list yet missed so many still.
Len Waters, Ngunnawal
Proctor St Chisholm
Gungahlin Drive
Len Waters St, Ngunnawal
❌ already used. Wait three valid answers.
Findlay st, Higgins
Quote from: Northside on January 19, 2022, 07:26:21 PMLen Waters St, Ngunnawal
❌ already used. Wait three valid answers.
Lol, didn't look high enough
Brierly St, Weston.
Quote from: Northside on January 19, 2022, 09:40:01 PMLol, didn't look high enough
You may find it helpful to use "ctrl+F" to search for the street you're about to post on page 1 and 3 before you post.
I always do it because almost everytime I need to attempt several times before getting a new one.
We are almost done.
Morrison Cct, Duntroon. (stop 3068 and 3069 is a set)
Around 10 to go.
Collie St, Fyshwick
I count 13 more after this one. Although given the stretching of the rules, it could be more. I'm not going to recheck for those.
Ross Smith Crescent, Scullin
❌ already used. Penalty: wait 2 valid answers.
Dunno how I missed that, I've been checking them off as I go.
Ngunawal Dr, O'Malley
Burke Crescent, Kingston 🤞🤞
❌ not allowed. Has two separate stops. No penalty.
I'm not sure if someone has posted it or it is a valid answer.
Tharwa Drive
❌ not valid. 3 sets of stops on Tharwa Drive (1 set in Calwell and the other 2 in Gordon/Conder).
Wait for 2 valid answers before next submission
Quote from: Bus 400 on January 22, 2022, 08:18:51 PMBurke Crescent, Kingston 🤞🤞
❌ not allowed. Has two separate stops. No penalty.
The reason being: the NSW Trainlink stop is regarded as a "bus stop".
In which case:
West Row (as previously submitted by a disqualified Toyota Camry)
Molonglo Dr
Spending some time checking it before posting might be helpful because we have few left,
Hodgson Cr, Pearce.
Thynne St, Bruce
Does Hospital Rd count since it has a set of bus stops, but it is not serviced by Transport Canberra?
Quote from: vnguyen on January 23, 2022, 06:25:08 PMDoes Hospital Rd count since it has a set of bus stops, but it is not serviced by Transport Canberra?
And that also raises the status of Corinna St.
Both have long term diversions and, in the case of Hospital Road, the latest TT formalises the diversion as the current route.
Does this answer your question:
Quote from: Barry Drive on December 23, 2021, 05:37:26 PMMust be an active stop at the time of submission.
Yes. So a school bus stop in same street would not currently invalidate a stop in use.
Not sure if Brindabella cct counts?...
Quote from: Northside on January 23, 2022, 10:17:12 PMNot sure if Brindabella cct counts?...
I think it counts.
So my next submission: Longmore Cres, Wanniassa.
f, when I looked for the remaining streets on Anytrip, I found that there is actually one left only (which means I gonna lose this game).
Wait and see who can find the final one or I might be wrong.
And it should be a controversial one.
Quote from: Northside on January 23, 2022, 10:17:12 PMNot sure if Brindabella cct counts?...
Quote from: narc855 on January 23, 2022, 10:29:39 PMI think it counts.
I doubt it, there are according to Google 2 well separated stops, one for R3 and one for 834.
Quote from: narc855 on January 23, 2022, 10:46:45 PMf, when I looked for the remaining streets on Anytrip, I found that there is actually one left only (which means I gonna lose this game).
Wait and see who can find the final one or I might be wrong.
And it should be a controversial one.
Might be more than one, but perhaps even more controversial. A few of the previous answers and rulings raise some some rather iffy logic and possibilities.
Quote from: Barry Drive on January 22, 2022, 10:30:30 PMThe reason being: the NSW Trainlink stop is regarded as a "bus stop".
In which case: West Row (as previously submitted by a disqualified Toyota Camry)
Quote from: triumph on January 24, 2022, 12:46:52 AMI doubt it, there are according to Google 2 well separated stops, one for R3 and one for 834.
I think it's still a set since Parliament Dr and Morrison Cct are both answers.
And, combine these two rules, Terminal Ave can't be an answer. Stop 3353 is used by R3 while stop 260910 on the other side is used by 783/784.
Quote from: narc855 on January 24, 2022, 11:56:28 AMI think it's still a set since Parliament Dr and Morrison Cct are both answers.
And, combine these two rules, Terminal Ave can't be an answer. Stop 3353 is used by R3 while stop 260910 on the other side is used by 783/784.
Good point re Terminal Avenue BUT Parliament Dr and Morrison CCt are the same routes just out and back. I agree with Barry Drive on these two locations, BUT Brindabella Circuit is not a set being similar to your quoted Terminal Avenue.
Looks Barry has some adjudicating to do.
Quote from: triumph on January 24, 2022, 12:22:11 PMLooks Barry has some adjudicating to do.
I should have adopted the "Pointless" rule: which is once you state an answer, it is considered to be an answer.
Since no one has submitted Brindabella Cct as an answer, I can't adjudicate. But -- as a hint -- I'd pay attention to what triumph says.
As for Terminal Avenue: I have doubts whether they actually use the stop "on the other side", but based on the GTFS stop location, I will have to concede that there are in fact two separate stops. (No penalty though.)
Quote from: Northside on January 23, 2022, 10:17:12 PMNot sure if Brindabella cct counts?...
Ooh, I think I found a loophole!
Let me make this one more definitive
Battye St, Bruce
I'm trying my luck here and say Hazel St in Oaks Estate.
It is a part of Canberra but it is served by 838.
❌ it's correct, but it's already been played. No penalty.
Quote from: Northside on January 24, 2022, 05:08:05 PMBattye St, Bruce
If no further valid entries within 7 days time, this will be declared the winner. Not that there's any prize.
No penalty for invalid answers from this point forward. Also: Northside may submit again in 3 days.
Well that's not the one I am preparing for.
I will try: Flemington Rd.
This is because of the diversion of route 18 which makes Flemington Rd own a temporary set of bus stops that are used by route 18. Given AIS Arena is accepted, there should be no doubt about this point.
However, whether or not it's correct depends on how to definite stops on R1.
Wait and see.
https://www.transport.act.gov.au/news/service-alerts-and-updates/service-updates/gungahlin-region/well-station-road-closed-from-24-january route 18 diversion offical page
✅ is valid, since they are active stops today and are the only BUS STOPS active along Flemington Road. Still need to wait 7 days for another entry before it can be deemed the winner. Or else narc855 can wait 3 days and make another submission.
According to Anytrip, Akuna Street is in use by Qcity.
❌ (Transborder Express, actually) it does say that, but the route doesn't travel this way anymore, so the stop isn't in use.
Well I'm gonna go with Hospital Rd as my submission.
According to Google Maps it is still being used as a stop for 831 and NSW TrainLink services.
❌ stops not in service, road closed to through traffic
Quote from: vnguyen on January 25, 2022, 07:59:59 AMWell I'm gonna go we Hospital Rd as my submission.
According to Google Maps it is still being used as a stop for 831 and NSW TrainLink services.
Seems doubtful, NSW Train Link for the coach services checked, quotes stops in Bateson Rd with the Eden service describing it in the heading as Temp. When I was last there before Christmas, Hospital Rd was open in one direction only from Bateson Rd.. So rather confusing.
Quote from: vnguyen on January 25, 2022, 07:59:59 AMWell I'm gonna go we Hospital Rd as my submission.
According to Google Maps it is still being used as a stop for 831 and NSW TrainLink services.
831/842/coaches use the same route as R6 inside CBR Hospital now.
Hospital Rd at entry of Bateson has a sign "No buses beyond this point". Seen a few moments ago. So Hospital Rd stop is not currently in use.
I would've picked Hospital Road as my second guess if I knew it was in service, which it isn't. One side may seem like it is now, but it ain't.
Quote from: Bus 400 on January 22, 2022, 08:18:51 PMBurke Crescent, Kingston 🤞🤞
❌ not allowed. Has two separate stops. No penalty.
I would disagree with this being not allowed then. For exmaple, how does Paliament drive count as being a set when one stop is labled 'Southbound' and the other 'Northbound' and they're almost a kilometer apart from each other. Burke Crescent technically has 3 stops (one being used by various NSW buses/coaches) and are no more than 100m apart from each other. Same point with a couple others, these ajudications are inconsistent imo.
How far are the Calwell P&R stops apart?
The point is not about distance, it's about routes.
Gungahlin Pl has 2 stops only but it's not allowed neither.
Victoria St, Hall
Note: Google maps is out of date. There are two delineated stops in Hall now.
There is a posted stop in Victoria St on East side and South of Hoskins St. The TT on the post gives City Departure time and advises to request for Yass bound services.
Gladstone St Interchange is posted and displayed information refers to school services only. This is confirmed in the Transborder Express on-line TT. That TT also refers to a Victoria St Interchange but the only vestige of it now is a section of Victoria St on West side South of Gladstone St which has restricted parking on school days.
Exactly another street I am thinking of.
When I went to Hall last December, there is no sign of bus stop at the "Hall Interchange" location, instead, there seems to be a bus stop at Loftus St & Victoria ST where no map shows.
We probably need a field trip to see what happens in Hall.
Quote from: triumph on January 25, 2022, 08:46:55 PMVictoria St, Hall
According to Google Maps, there are two stops on Victoria St when heading southbound. (One at the school and the other "Hall Interchange"). But QCity/ Transborder information is not always reliable.
The timetable map seems to support the case that there's only one active stop.
So unless proven otherwise, I'll accept this as a valid answer.
The 7 day clock restarts. This submission will be declared the winner if there are no further answers (or objections) within 7 days.
Now that my time in purgatory is over, I'll submit Bimbimbie St, Bruce. Currently serviced by the Goulburn-Canberra route (784/783)
✅ correct. This is the provisional winner - subject to a 7 day waiting period.
🏆 no further valid answers and no objections - this is the winning answer.
Is it good for me to say Copping Crossing Road?
If so that is my submission.
❌ have reviewed: this is not a valid answer for this game
OK, last throw of the dice, which I had hoped not to have to make. Here is a submission of a virtual (seems very appropriate in these Covid constrained times) street/stop. Already I can hear laughter, but note that such a submission was made and accepted long ago.
So, there is a precedent.
By way of explanation, here goes:
Firstly, consider the Callam St. ruling.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on December 31, 2021, 07:16:36 PM✅ It could be argued either way, would need to check the official ACT Map to be certain, but I would regard platforms 5 6 & 7 to NOT be on Callam St, so yes it's valid.
This decision makes it clear that a stop not directly on the street is not part of that street.
Secondly, consider Northcott Drive
Quote from: narc855 on December 27, 2021, 11:10:23 AMAnother street with a single bus stop only,
Northcott Dr， Majura
In contrast to the Interchange adjacent to Callam St, this stop is an accepted submission, but also is not directly on Northcott Dr. So what is the difference?
In the case of Callam St there are 3 streets that the address of the Woden Interchange can be attributed to, being Bradley, Bowes, and Callam Streets. But which one? The ACT block and Section map I consulted does not allocate a street number on the Callam St frontage which leaves the attribution undetermined. On the other hand the block on which the only stop which could be considered associated with Northcott Dr is situated, can only front Northcott Drive, and thus be only attributed to Northcott Dr. and no other street. Therefore, it is clear that this accepted submission was of a virtual street/stop!
Now consider the Westfield Stop in Belconnen. This stop pair is not an interchange or terminal stop. It is simply a busy normal stop pair.
It is situated on private land being the Westfield Mall.
Streets relevantly fronting the Mall are Lathlain, Cohen, and Benjamin, so which one is the Mall attributed to? That answer is Benjamin Way, which is the Mall address. Therefore, the correct address of the Westfield Stop is Benjamin Way.
That is the same circumstance as for the virtual Northcott Dr accepted submission.
Accordingly, relying on precedent allowing virtual submissions and the preceding explanation, my submission is Benjamin Way.
❌ no, definitely not.
Quote from: triumph on February 01, 2022, 07:42:21 PMOK, last throw of the dice, which I had hoped not to have to make. Here is a submission of a virtual (seems very appropriate in these Covid constrained times) street/stop. Already I can hear laughter, but note that such a submission was made and accepted long ago.
So, there is a precedent.
........
Accordingly, relying on precedent allowing virtual submissions and the preceding explanation, my submission is Benjamin Way.
❌ no, definitely not.
Well, that was fun. A rejection was entirely expected. Arbitrarily emphatic too, which implies my logic was plausible.
There was, however, a big weakness in the logic. It all came down to the status of the stop adjacent to Northcott Dr. Just apply the Callam St clarification with the Johnson Dr retrospective disallowance
method "On reflection Northcott Dr is ..........". With Northcott Dr retrospectively determined invalid, the logic falls over.
I would add there were other suspicious virtual submissions, but I didn't have the inclination or resources handy to pursue them.
Time, I think, to say
Congratulations to Northside for the cunning final submission, the detail of which is nowhere I could find on the TrainLink website.
It's accessible on Anytrip.
Quote from: triumph on February 02, 2022, 05:10:44 PMWell, that was fun. A rejection was entirely expected. Arbitrarily emphatic too, which implies my logic was plausible.
No matter how you explain about roads, there are two sets of stops at Westfield Belconnen.
One being Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 (5502) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 Set Down Only (5503).
Another one being Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 (5501) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 Set Down Only (5504).
Quote from: narc855 on February 02, 2022, 09:02:30 PMNo matter how you explain about roads, there are two sets of stops at Westfield Belconnen.
One being Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 (5502) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 Set Down Only (5503).
Another one being Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 (5501) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 Set Down Only (5504).
I have been using that stop lots ever since it was created and have never noticed that distinction. Most seem to just stop as far along the platform as practical, though sometimes 4th or even 5th back in the queue. Lot of picking up done at the so called set down only stop. Never had occasion to even look at stop numbers. Also check out the map in Transport Canberra website, no 3rd and 4th stops shown at all. Just Platforms 1 and 2. Likewise Google maps (not to be fully relied on) does not even indicate the 4th stop. I think would have been reasonable to go by the official TC website map. Note there are only two platforms and it is not an interchange. As no service terminates at Westfield, why is there even any need for set down only. Only Monday I boarded a bus at Westfield and for good and practical reasons travelled just one stop. Next time I am there I for sure will be having a closer look. One lives and learns.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 02, 2022, 05:21:19 PMIt's accessible on Anytrip.
And probably other websites too, but point is, if it is delineated on the
official TrainLink website, then it is very obscure. Thus I think Northside was rather astute. Did you have this one ready yourself for a last minute challenge and Northside trumped you?
Once the QCity and TbX routes were in play, I just started looking around to see what other trips passed by. Found this route and kept it up my sleeve.
Quote from: triumph on February 02, 2022, 10:35:56 PMDid you have this one ready yourself for a last minute challenge and Northside trumped you?
No, I didn't see this one and thought Akuna Street was good enough...
It's annoyingly difficult to navigate around Canberra on the NSW version of Anytrip.
Quote from: narc855 on February 02, 2022, 09:02:30 PMNo matter how you explain about roads, there are two sets of stops at Westfield Belconnen.
One being Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 (5502) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 Set Down Only (5503).
Another one being Westfield Belconnen Platform 1 (5501) and Westfield Belconnen Platform 2 Set Down Only (5504).
Lived another day and learnt more.
The set down stops said to be at Westfield Belconnen are not delineated on site in any way at all. That includes the rather old looking map in the cabinet near the Mall Entrance. Nor do they show up in the current map in the TC website. The only references to them I could find were both being listed under 'Find Your Stop' with the search term Westfield, and one shown in Google Maps.
To my recollection the original operational intent for the Westfield Stop was for arriving buses to use the set down stops and then pull forward to the pick up stop so as to avoid congestion between alighting and boarding passengers and to prevent the present situation of having to hurry along the platform to board a bus at the back of a queue. It very quickly became apparent that this was unworkable due to bus congestion and delay. Thus making the so called set down stops unusable for the purpose provided. It appears that though remnants of the stop descriptions are yet to be edited from some areas (not a priority task, I would think), these stops are redundant and no longer used in the manner intended.
So the reality is that there is only two long platforms at Westfield Belconnen with a single active stop each, ie 1 set.
We could argue various points and split hairs till the cows come home, but it is just academic with now no impact on the game result (assuming this wasn't the only reason for submission rejection), so interesting and entertaining as it may be, I think it is time to conclude this discussion.
Just checked Google Map on my phone, the road for Westfield Belconnen Interchange is "Cohen Street".
Quote from: narc855 on February 03, 2022, 08:00:49 PMJust checked Google Map on my phone, the road for Westfield Belconnen Interchange is "Cohen Street".
Except that's not correct either. But it's a better "virtual" name than Benjamin Way.
In any case, game is now over: well done to Northside.
Quote from: Barry Drive on February 04, 2022, 11:32:06 AMExcept that's not correct either. But it's a better "virtual" name than Benjamin Way.
In any case, game is now over: well done to Northside.
Yes, congrats to Northside.
(Target is close to Westfield bus stop. Both are Westfield properties. Target gives their address as 18 Benjamin Way. QED)
I think much appreciation is due to Barry Drive for invigorating the Forum with the introduction of these games and staying out what was thought initially to be very straightforward.
Kudos all round. That turned out to me more tricky and intriguing than first thought!
Quote from: Northside on February 04, 2022, 11:19:44 PMKudos all round. That turned out to me more tricky and intriguing than first thought!
Yes, actually you chose a good time to post because now we have a new one (McCoy Cct).
But the 7 day clock ended... lol
I was also waiting for someone to post Manuka cct. The cricket was on at that time...
well Manuka Cct is doubtful (I actually considered it but I don't think shuttle buses are allowed.)
Quote from: narc855 on February 06, 2022, 06:53:51 PMwell Manuka Cct is doubtful (I actually considered it but I don't think shuttle buses are allowed.)
Agree, but be careful to distinguish 901 to 903 regularly scheduled routes also described as shuttles. Charters, specials, and hoc diversions, and brief planned diversions to my mind shouldn't qualify either. But note the horse has bolted in respect to rte 18 diversion.