Game: Street Names II

Started by Barry Drive, January 25, 2022, 12:06:14 PM

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Barry Drive

Following on from the last game, edition 2 requires the naming of Canberra (or ACT) streets which buses run along, but there are no stops.

Similar rules as last time:
•refers to active stops at the time of submission
•includes all scheduled/published public bus services
•school only stops / school diversions are excluded
•only applies to the portion of road within the ACT
•"no stops" refers to the entire road, not just a particular route (eg Route R4 doesn't stop on Belconnen Way, but route 44 does)
•penalties may be applied for invalid answers
•if a street name is mentioned, that will be treated as a submission; if multiple names are mentioned the first name will be the submission
•may only refer to official routes
•Service roads, Access roads and unnamed roads are excluded

Each person can only submit one street name at a time and cannot submit consecutive entries.

A previous correct submission cannot be repeated.

The winner will be whomever makes the last correct entry. There is no prize.


To get started: Akuna Street

vnguyen


triumph


narc855

Quote from: Barry Drive on January 25, 2022, 12:06:14 PMonly applies to the portion of road within the ACT

Then we can say: Barton Hwy

Sylvan Loves Buses


vnguyen


Snorzac


Bus 400


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses

Queen Victory Terrace, Parkes.

narc855


vnguyen


triumph


Snorzac


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses

Capital Circle, Capital Hill.

vnguyen


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses


Bus 400


vnguyen


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses

Staff Cadet Avenue, Duntroon.

narc855


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses


vnguyen

McMillan Crescent, Narrabundah

triumph


narc855

Kingsley Street, Acton/City

Sylvan Loves Buses


vnguyen

#30
Flinders Way, Red Hill

triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses


triumph


vnguyen


narc855


triumph


vnguyen

Coaldrake Avenue, Denman Prospect

Snorzac


Sylvan Loves Buses


triumph


narc855

#41
Rogan Street, Canberra Airport

vnguyen

Wyndham Avenue, Denman Prospect

Sylvan Loves Buses


triumph

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on January 31, 2022, 12:23:27 AMCowlishaw St, Greenway
Has this short cut been formalized? If so can you indicate which routes please?

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triumph

A longish time ago. I had forgotten this departing 71 service. My mind was focussed on arriving services which are in the habit of short cutting. Had wondered if the short cutting had been made official - apparently not. Many thanks.

triumph

Had planned to be on first service today but tennis into early morning took priority.
William Hovell Dr, Route 47

Barry Drive


vnguyen


Snorzac


narc855

Bradley Street (Woden Interchange)

Sylvan Loves Buses


vnguyen


triumph

The section of Coppins Crossing Road between the 2 sections of John Gorton Drive seems eligible.
So, Coppins Crossing Dr, route 47

narc855

It's a road, not drive.

A temporary one, Well Station Drive

triumph

Quote from: narc855 on February 01, 2022, 12:42:40 PMIt's a road, not drive.

Yeah yeah, another typo. I know I am irritatingly good at that - some call them 'seniors moments'. I notice you didn't correct 'Victory' or 'Coppings' (Game 1) which were not in my posts.....

narc855

Quote from: triumph on February 01, 2022, 01:57:23 PMYeah yeah, another typo. I know I am irritatingly good at that - some call them 'seniors moments'. I notice you didn't correct 'Victory' or 'Coppings' (Game 1) which were not in my posts.....

Because I just posted next to your post... lol

Sylvan Loves Buses


vnguyen


narc855


triumph


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vnguyen


narc855

Mcmichael Terrace, Denman Prospect

triumph


vnguyen


Sylvan Loves Buses


narc855

#68
Jellicoe Street, Palmerston (route 23)

⚠️ Crace

vnguyen


triumph


Sylvan Loves Buses


Barry Drive

Just to get it out of the way:

Edgeworth Parade (Coombs).

Hopefully there are no more of these type of streets.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#73
Given the way Canberra streets are designed and how I found one in Forrest, I'm sure there's plenty of others that have been created before Coombs.

vnguyen


Sylvan Loves Buses

#75
Donaldson Street, Braddon.

Prefer to wait for 2 others before posting again, hence why I didn't make one before.
Can we get a list yet please?

❌ Stop 0300 is serviced by 53 towards Dickson.

Penalty: wait for two valid answers

narc855

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 06, 2022, 03:03:41 PMGiven the way Canberra streets are designed and how I found one in Forrest, I'm sure there's plenty of others that have been created before Coombs.

That's why this game is more difficult...
Clarrie Hermes Drive

vnguyen


triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 06, 2022, 02:10:42 PMJust to get it out of the way:

Edgeworth Parade (Coombs).

Hopefully there are no more of these type of streets.
Can you elaborate on what the type is that it is hoped there are no more of.
Canberra has quite a few peculiarities such as streets that meet another street twice (common, and a pain in the neck when defining an intersection/junction for a feed back or accident report, etc) and even streets that intersect/junction with themselves. But I didn't see anything odd on the map about Edgeworth Pde..
There are also some rather unusual descriptors eg Scotts Crossing in the City. Crossing what??

triumph

Norse Rd (QCity route just inside ACT)

narc855

Allawoona Street (University of Canberra)

vnguyen

Mustang Avenue, Canberra Airport

triumph


narc855

#83
Get rid of this controversial one.
Joynton Smith Drive, Belconnen


❌ unless I'm missing something: that's a no

Penalty: wait two valid answers

narc855

Okay I was cheated by Anytrip...

I can't insert a photo but the Cohen Street between Lathlain St and Benjamin Way shows Joynton Smith Drive on Anytrip.
(not the orginal controversial point I think, actually thinks about Belconnen Community Station but anyway)

triumph

Quote from: narc855 on February 08, 2022, 08:10:23 PMOkay I was cheated by Anytrip...

I can't insert a photo but the Cohen Street between Lathlain St and Benjamin Way shows Joynton Smith Drive on Anytrip.
(not the orginal controversial point I think, actually thinks about Belconnen Community Station but anyway)

Anytrip must be years and years out of date. If I recall correctly Joynton Smith it was before the Mall was extended and the Westfield Stop developed as part of the Mall works. Relying on a single non-official site like Anytrip, and even Google or Wikipedia, without corroboration is always a risk. Though both Google and Wikipedia are a good bit more reliable than some others. These games have exposed shortcomings though across the board, even in some official sites.

Northside

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 06, 2022, 02:10:42 PMJust to get it out of the way:

Edgeworth Parade (Coombs).

Hopefully there are no more of these type of streets.

Are you sure about that one? If you have a look at the street signs it seems to indicate Edgeworth Pde starts from the western side of Fred Daly, whereas the street sign for Annabelle view continues through the eastern side of Fred Daly. I can see that Google maps says the median between Fred Daly is Edgeworth, but I think that's not quite accurate.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#87
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 06, 2022, 05:15:40 PM❌ Stop 0300 is serviced by 53 towards Dickson.
Ffs, that's the last time I use Google maps for this stuff. Having bus stops appear at different zoom levels is stupid.

Quote from: narc855Joynton Smith Drive, Belconnen... shows Joynton Smith Drive on Anytrip
It shows the stops that were used back when the 41 or whichever it was use to run Emu Bank alongthe the foreshore. It'll only show them as blue squares now and outlined buses when zoomed right in. It certainly isn't correct for usage at the moment (unless there's a detour I'm unaware of).


Quote from: narc855 on February 06, 2022, 06:37:35 PMThat's why this game is more difficult...
For a time it was fun, but now it is yeah. Time to start checking timetables I thnk.

Dugong Way, Throsby.

Barry Drive

#88
Quote from: Northside on February 08, 2022, 11:14:18 PMI can see that Google maps says the median between Fred Daly is Edgeworth, but I think that's not quite accurate.
It is. I actually checked this before posting.

Quote from: triumph on February 07, 2022, 02:39:20 PMThere are also some rather unusual descriptors eg Scotts Crossing in the City. Crossing what??
Lennox Crossing was a crossing of Molonglo River from the hospital to Commonwealth Avenue - it still exists but only as far as the National Museum.

Nothing remains of the original Scotts Crossing - it crossed the river and ran from the bottom of Anzac Parade to King Edward Terrace near what is now NGA. Scotts Crossing in the City is named to commemorate this road.

Anyway, back on topic: Flynn Place

narc855


Northside

#90
Currently, Gordon St, Acton

triumph


vnguyen

Spitfire Avenue, Canberra Airport

narc855

Surprisingly not so many left.
Mead Street, Chisholm

triumph

Vernon Circle, City (TrainLink coach services)

Sylvan Loves Buses

Goldstein Crescent, Chisholm.

narc855


vnguyen

#97
Mildura St, Kingston/Fyshwick

⚠️ Griffith / Kingston, actually

triumph

Parkes Way (TrainLink services)

narc855

#99
Benjamin Way, Belconnen

✅ used by 843 to/from Yass

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vnguyen

Bowen Drive (I think it is used by coaches).

narc855


Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 06, 2022, 02:10:42 PMHopefully there are no more of these type of streets.

Found another one lol.

Macnally Street, Weston.

Northside


vnguyen


narc855

Just did some bus spotting at Woden Interchange this morning so
Matilda Street, Phillip

Sylvan Loves Buses

#107
Ellery Cresent, Acton.

❌ invalid answer. The street is not currently being used by buses.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Come on, chop chop. There's still a bunch left.

vnguyen

#109
George Tyson Drive, Canberra Airport

❌ unless I'm missing something: no route services operate this street

narc855

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 23, 2022, 11:14:29 PMCome on, chop chop. There's still a bunch left.

But the point is that it doesn't make too many senses to submit the trainlink roads as they actually don't run like that...

Anyway, Lady Denman Drive

Barry Drive

I have compiled a list of all 95 valid answers. Unfortunately there's a system problem that prevents me from posting it to this topic.

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 23, 2022, 11:14:29 PMCome on, chop chop. There's still a bunch left.
At a guess, most of what's left are the Trainlink routes.

But one that is on an ACTION route: Eureka Way

vnguyen

Quote from: vnguyen on February 24, 2022, 09:21:57 AMGeorge Tyson Drive, Canberra Airport

❌ unless I'm missing something: no route services operate this street

Google Maps says different. Maybe a shouldn't trust it anymore. Is that a penalty?

Barry Drive

Arrgh. Looks like TC didn't update the GTFS to remove the temporary route during the road closure near the Vibe Hotel. R3 is not supposed to go that way any longer.

No penalty since there's already been two valid answers since.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#114
Leichhardt Street, Kingston

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 25, 2022, 10:05:48 AMAt a guess, most of what's left are the Trainlink routes.

For which I see 3 more. Looked like this topic was being neclected, maybe I was a little too hyped to get things moving.

⚠️❓ More information required: what route(s) use Leichhardt St?

vnguyen


narc855


vnguyen

Quote from: narc855 on February 26, 2022, 11:00:46 AMDid I miss something?

Cameron Ave, Belconnen


I think its another one of the "Edgeworth Parade" streets.

triumph

Quote from: narc855 on February 24, 2022, 12:58:57 PMBut the point is that it doesn't make too many senses to submit the trainlink roads as they actually don't run like that...

Anyway, Lady Denman Drive
Out of curiosity, what service uses Lady Denman Dr?

Barry Drive

Quote from: narc855 on February 26, 2022, 11:00:46 AMCameron Ave, Belconnen
On paper, maybe. The stop pattern of route 843 makes College St the more likely route, but haven't verified it either way.

Quote from: triumph on February 26, 2022, 11:57:56 PMOut of curiosity, what service uses Lady Denman Dr?
784 (Trainlink Coach) to Goulburn - at least in theory.

narc855

I think most answers left are about route 783/784...

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 27, 2022, 09:19:33 AM784 (Trainlink Coach) to Goulburn - at least in theory.
Thanks for that answer re Lady Denman Drive. So continued curiosity meant I wanted to see the map of the complete route. After much searching I did the simple thing and put the search term 'Canberra - Goulburn Coach route' in and it came up with a Transport for NSW web item for the that route showing the map for the Goulburn bound journey, It showed the Parkway not Lady Denman Dr as the route.
Thoroughly confusing. Was the map I found out of date I wonder?
(Because Lady Denman Dr is, in part, close to the Parkway it is necessary to enlarge the map to see the difference, but the rest via Caswell Dr and Cotter Rd is obvious.)

narc855

#122
Quote from: triumph on February 28, 2022, 05:21:46 PMThanks for that answer re Lady Denman Drive. So continued curiosity meant I wanted to see the map of the complete route. After much searching I did the simple thing and put the search term 'Canberra - Goulburn Coach route' in and it came up with a Transport for NSW web item for the that route showing the map for the Goulburn bound journey, It showed the Parkway not Lady Denman Dr as the route.
Thoroughly confusing. Was the map I found out of date I wonder?
(Because Lady Denman Dr is, in part, close to the Parkway it is necessary to enlarge the map to see the difference, but the rest via Caswell Dr and Cotter Rd is obvious.)

This is the current one on TfNSW website.
https://transportnsw.info/routes/details/trainlink/784/76784

Edit: but indeed there is no Lady Denman Drive while Anytrip has it. So I would recall my answer.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 25, 2022, 12:55:21 PM⚠️❓ More information required: what route(s) use Leichhardt St?

Like a bunch of Trainlink services arriving at the Kingston Railway Station. It's another one of those dumb roads you were hoping there weren't others of, invalidate it if you want idc. As long as anytrip and TransportNSW mark it as so, that's good enough for me, I'm not gonna nerd out about a game with no noticable prize. Btw, I still see at least 2 others.

Barry Drive

#124
Quote from: narc855 on February 28, 2022, 09:30:12 PMThis is the current one on TfNSW website.
https://transportnsw.info/routes/details/trainlink/784/76784

Edit: but indeed there is no Lady Denman Drive while Anytrip has it. So I would recall my answer.
Although that map has several errors, so it can't be completely relied upon either.

(And note it shows the TC bus stop is being used at the Airport as well.)

As it's not clear which route is correct, I'm happy to retain the answer.

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 01, 2022, 09:44:41 AMLike a bunch of Trainlink services arriving at the Kingston Railway Station.
Got it. Although I doubt the Trainlink buses use that approach when they could use Burke Cres.

However, the R2 trips which divert to the Railway Station would ever so briefly traverse Leichhardt St, so it's a valid answer.

While on the topic of Trainlink: Dudley St.

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Edinburgh Avenue (Trainlink again).

vnguyen

#126
Chandler Street. Belconnen. (TrainkLink service) Cant see any TC stop on Google maps.

❌ can't allow this. In this instance the GTFS route is clearly wrong as you can't travel from Chandler St to Belconnen Interchange.

The website map is also wrong as it shows Benjamin Way then a right turn to Cohen St, which is not permitted.

I believe the route taken involves College St, Lathlain St then Cohen St.

⚠️ you may submit a new answer without penalty since there are few, if any, valid answers remaining

vnguyen

#127
Coranderrk St, used by 784. It shows up on the website going via this this route not sure it is correct though.

narc855

#128
There is no correct or wrong since all stops in Canberra (excluding City and Beleonnen Interchange) on 783/784 are requested stops only.

There is one that's not 783/784 though.
Wisdom Street, Hughes

Edit: this is not an vavid answer, thanks Sylvan for pointing out. It's actually a bit hard to pay attention to action routes at the same time...

Sylvan Loves Buses

#129
57 stops on Wisdom Street at the shops.

Followup edit: Indeed. Whatever the next game is, it might be best to start with the trainlink stuff and get them out of the way.

narc855

Rudd Street

Many buses need to use this street to access City Interchange platform 8 (especially the R6-55 connection).

And there is a formal bus route using this street: 855 Wollongong to Canberra operated by Murrays.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Using that same logic, Moore Street.

narc855

Prettymuch sure someone is going to say Moore Street...

Kennedy Street, Kingston
This street is used by MCS (South Coast to Canberra).
https://transportnsw.info/routes/details/murrays-coaches/mcs/08mcs

Since this one is on TfNSW offical page, I would say it's a formal route.

vnguyen

In that case we can say Coronation Drive.

narc855

Allsop Street, City
All routes depart from City West need to use that street (?).

Sylvan Loves Buses

So can we use the Elighten Shuttle for this? I saw one in service yesterday.

Parkes Place W (I assume that means west), Parkes.

narc855

In that case we can say Bunda Street

Barry Drive

Quote from: narc855 on March 05, 2022, 07:25:37 PMAllsop Street, City

This was the last valid answer. As it was more than 7 days ago, this answer is the winner.

This game is now complete.

Sylvan Loves Buses

I was hesitant to make any more guesses given my own rule of waiting for 2 others. I think there was still a bunch from the RED Explorer bus, but I was unable to find any official/unofficial route maps of it.

triumph

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 14, 2022, 10:47:28 PMI was hesitant to make any more guesses given my own rule of waiting for 2 others. I think there was still a bunch from the RED Explorer bus, but I was unable to find any official/unofficial route maps of it.
Yeah, I looked for Red bus detail too. They seem more interested in the $ than providing detail. The best diagram (won't give it the privilege of 'map') I could find was actually on the back of the bus itself.
Some destinations would enable some streets to be inferred.
Relying on Offical maps, I think there was a V-line route of interest, but having lost track of the 7 days and thus losing the opportunity... .
Congratulations to the winner.

Sylvan Loves Buses

I was going to go up to the driver and ask him directly, but I kept forgetting to be there at the right times. I know he uses Lawson Cresent to get to the Museum, so that would've been one of them, oh well.

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on February 20, 2022, 02:19:47 PMEllery Cresent, Acton.

❌ invalid answer. The street is not currently being used by buses.
This also returned to being valid again too, surprised no one went for it.

narc855

Quote from: triumph on March 15, 2022, 12:02:20 PMI think there was a V-line route of interest

I have checked that: there are two V-line routes to Vic, one via Yass and one via Cooma, but there's no route shown inside the ACT region and from the stopping pattern there's no new answer to this game.