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Title: Network '09
Post by: Barry Drive on October 27, 2008, 02:34:14 PM
ACTION's next major network change will be occurring in February 2009. I don't know much about the changes, but can reveal that DFO will receive a service as a result of these changes.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Lockie on October 27, 2008, 05:20:45 PM
I hope ACTION finds a spare number, allowing them to split the 4 west and east...
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 27, 2008, 05:37:19 PM
Go back to the 5#. It much easier to do
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Trolleybusracer on October 27, 2008, 07:48:54 PM
then what will become of the Woden - gunghalin? which is number 5 now?
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 27, 2008, 08:21:46 PM
I mean 50 series numbers. # means a number therefore 5# means 50 something 
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 27, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
hmmm... interesting..
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 27, 2008, 10:34:10 PM
Why don't ACTION replace the 73/74 with a flexibus sort of thing aimed at pensioners, like deanes local link.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: lukeo25 on October 27, 2008, 10:36:19 PM
what about hume, tharwa, hall and macarthur they should get a service or at least a xpresso
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: belcodriver on October 27, 2008, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: Martin on October 27, 2008, 02:34:14 PM
ACTION's next major network change will be occurring in February 2009. I don't know much about the changes, but can reveal that DFO will receive a service as a result of these changes.


I thought it was only going to be minor changes to the existing network. With bigger changes to come when Belco interchange is closed. Anyway we're having a shift spill in November.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on October 28, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
Well, apparently the weekend network should come online in this New network, but yeah, it should be ready for the new school term.

I think the shift spill is the new network shifts?

Anyway, as lukeo mentioned, a service to Hume would be nice, possibly (as Todd, Chris and I have mentioned) an extension of the 88, but Macarthur hasn't gotten a service to my knowledge, Hall did, and Keirs service Tharwa.

As for the 73/74, I think it works well, loadings are fairly decent, and ACTION won't ever consider Flexibus/LocalLink ever again, after it was such a disaster last time.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: lukeo25 on October 28, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
thats good hall got a service and i thought of another place what does not get serviced by ACTION this might seem way stupid but the place is the cotter i think action should do a summer shuttle from woden then return via corin and the tracking station and tindidbilla and to tuggeranong via point hut or tharwa and also lets hope the new logo goes on the prepaid tickets. also what about a new ticketing system any word on that yet????
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 28, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
There was a summertime shuttle to the Cotter back in the day (see the Networks section in History)

Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 28, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
Keirs service Tharwa.

I wouldn't refer to anything Keirs do as "service"
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on October 28, 2008, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: lukeo25 on October 28, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
thats good hall got a service and i thought of another place what does not get serviced by ACTION this might seem way stupid but the place is the cotter i think action should do a summer shuttle from woden then return via corin and the tracking station and tindidbilla and to tuggeranong via point hut or tharwa and also lets hope the new logo goes on the prepaid tickets. also what about a new ticketing system any word on that yet????
I have actually mentioned the Cotter (from Woden to Tuggeranong) along with Kambah Pool and Pine Island (From Tuggeranong on a loop) services during the summer time school holidays and on weekends during spring and summer as an alternative to driving, and ACTION did say they will pass it on to Network Planning or whatever department is similar. I also mentioned that they should try it out atleast once during these periods to get a guage on how popular the services would be, but who knows what they will put in.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 29, 2008, 07:35:04 AM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 28, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
As for the 73/74, I think it works well, loadings are fairly decent, and ACTION won't ever consider Flexibus/LocalLink ever again, after it was such a disaster last time.

Works well, loadings decent?
The only day they actually get more than 1 person if that on any service is senior shopping day, Tuesday otherwise the bus is basically empty
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on October 29, 2008, 03:56:21 PM
well, from what i have observed, it usually picks up 1 from the interchange, and it usually carries a few within the route.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: belcodriver on October 29, 2008, 11:06:01 PM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 28, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
As for the 73/74, I think it works well, loadings are fairly decent, and ACTION won't ever consider Flexibus/LocalLink ever again, after it was such a disaster last time.

Lies, Flexibus was awesome (for drivers, who often did next to no work, 933 and 955 spring to mind here).
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on October 30, 2008, 01:35:56 PM
lol, well, it's a good idea, and works for light loads, but when you've got 30 people to drop off in an hour, it gets a bit harder. having said that, i wouldn't mind a revival of the service, just with better planning, and management.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Busnerd on October 30, 2008, 05:08:41 PM
The general public don't like the idea.

They prefer to have a timetabled service they no will show up. Instead of having to make bookings over the phone, its really a step back. Especially when those community routes are only there for the elderly and only ever carry a small handfull of passengers.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 30, 2008, 09:16:23 PM
Here's a better idea for 73/74 use a dart or one of the special needs buses so that you are not wasting valuable standard buses that run empty half the route
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: belcodriver on October 30, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
Quote from: MAN 18.310 CNG on October 30, 2008, 09:16:23 PM
Here's a better idea for 73/74 use a dart or one of the special needs buses so that you are not wasting valuable standard buses that run empty half the route

Well, the 73/4s are on shifts that might require a std for other routes, plus there's no shortage of buses in the middle of the day when they run.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: belcodriver on October 30, 2008, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 30, 2008, 01:35:56 PM
lol, well, it's a good idea, and works for light loads, but when you've got 30 people to drop off in an hour, it gets a bit harder. having said that, i wouldn't mind a revival of the service, just with better planning, and management.

None of the ones I ever did regularly got 30 people. I've done Nightriders with 50 people - mostly drunk - and still got them home in an hour over a bigger area than the flexis had.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on October 31, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Ah, ok, yeah, you're right there i guess.
with flexibus, did the bus service the nearest bus stop, or did it go into the inner streets?
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on October 31, 2008, 07:20:44 AM
nearest stop I think
Title: Network 09
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 31, 2008, 08:31:23 AM
No, they did go on inner streets. I often saw them in the back roads of kambah.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: belcodriver on October 31, 2008, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 31, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Ah, ok, yeah, you're right there i guess.
with flexibus, did the bus service the nearest bus stop, or did it go into the inner streets?


Officially to the nearest stop but in practice up to the driver. If you had 30 people it would be nearest stop, if it was only a few right to their door. At least that's what the nice drivers like me did.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on October 31, 2008, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: belcodriver on October 31, 2008, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on October 31, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Ah, ok, yeah, you're right there i guess.
with flexibus, did the bus service the nearest bus stop, or did it go into the inner streets?


Officially to the nearest stop but in practice up to the driver. If you had 30 people it would be nearest stop, if it was only a few right to their door. At least that's what the nice drivers like me did.
Thats the spirit. And understandable for the nearest stop with the loads.

I could imagine it'd be difficult getting through the back streets of wherever in a 12m bus.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Trolleybusracer on November 01, 2008, 01:19:42 AM
Why cant Canberra Leave the Bus Service as it is, Stop Molesting it ever 1 - 2 years
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 01, 2008, 02:15:24 AM
Because after all this time, we still can't bloody get it right! Lol.
On a serious note though, it must be a pain for commuters, and drivers alike. IMO, it keeps things interesting ha ha.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on November 01, 2008, 09:24:51 PM
Well, we get it right, or tp a stage where we are happy with it. Then every few years we tweak it. However, then you get about once every 5-6 years they do a major major revamp, stuff it up, then it goes back to the 5-6 years of minor tweaking after they get it right again. Having the networks out every 1-2 years brings about some good changes normally and helps when tweaking or adding services. It is better than having an out of date timetable that is not in tune with current loadings.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: xman0444 on November 07, 2008, 03:28:18 PM
i reckon they need to get rid of the weekend timetable and just use 1
it annoys me with 2 different ones  >:(
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on November 07, 2008, 04:11:02 PM
They are, just slowly. Should be in place first day of school term next year.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Rad D on November 07, 2008, 05:14:20 PM
 good. it is to hard to remember the to different time tables
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: xman0444 on November 07, 2008, 08:27:05 PM
i absolutely agree
i don't even know the weekend bus 2 get home
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 08, 2008, 12:26:59 AM
I too would like up see better services on the weekend, but simply putting the weekday services on the weekend is not the answer. A solution to that would be to simply increase the frequency of the weekend timetable, and I think you'll find it'll work much better as well as saving a few pretty pennies.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: xman0444 on November 08, 2008, 07:52:40 AM
Quote from: Irisbus Rider on November 08, 2008, 12:26:59 AM
I too would like up see better services on the weekend, but simply putting the weekday services on the weekend is not the answer. A solution to that would be to simply increase the frequency of the weekend timetable, and I think you'll find it'll work much better as well as saving a few pretty pennies.
i guess you are right
i guess i have to wait and see what they do
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on November 08, 2008, 09:14:22 AM
The probhlem with the weekend timetable is it is two sets of numbers, and two sets of routes. It confuses people to have this so remove it. It is all well and good to say 'putting weekday services on the weekend is not the answer', however having two seperate networks is not the answer either. They need to do a whole network restructure, including a route restructure of where they go and what suburbs they connect. Complement this with Xpresso's during the peak hours, and they will probably find the whole network will run more efficiently. There is nothing really wrong with the weekend network as a whole (Its more the problem with two seperate routes for Weekday and Weekend), certainly some things need to be tweaked (Don't send the friggen 966 via Chisholm, it boganises my route....... oh and makes it harder to get to Woden:P) and re looked at but I am sure if they put their corporate heads together they could win! They tried the split network in 1996 and by george it failed. Network 98 went back to what was known and good for ACTION, what was popular with people and what people knew. They just changed the route numbers, i.e mine was 123 which changed to 63 (and mind you has now gone back to its original routing via Sainsbury Street due to network 06 thankfully).
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on November 08, 2008, 10:39:09 PM
An accidental removal saw this post removed, instead of hitting quote function I hit remove!!

Quote from: Irisbus RiderTodd, you make it look like people are stupid. Surely they are able to remember 2 numbers, Surely. And if they can't, they don't belong on a bus.

But yeah, Peak and an full time Off-Peak network would work.
Hell, ACTION needs to be completely redone from scratch, but is it gonna happen? Naaaaah.

And John, yes people are stupid and no they cannot remember two different route numbers along with two totally seperate routes on most runs! It is confusing and needs to be removed and replaced with a full time route.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 08, 2008, 10:43:27 PM
See, that is ideal, but when we have runs like the 43 and 45, 16 and 17, 25 and 28, carrying air most of the time, how are they supposed to support weekend loadings if they struggle to keep weekday loadings. I'm saying that we need a restructuring of the weekend and weekday services to gove us a spot somewhere in the middle of the two, a run thats not the length of the weekend services, but can support decent loadings.

Maybe decent loadings need to come with trust from the passengers, and not, yet another network manipulation (molestation), who knows, but we simply cannot run the weekday network on the weekend the way it is.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Barry Drive on November 09, 2008, 03:52:49 PM
You need to remember that Network 98 (upon which most of ACTION's routes are based) was designed predominately to operate as a 7-day network. What this meant was that many/most/all routes were designed to maximise patronage rather than to operate directly. Unfortunately this results in less direct services to the outer suburbs (eg Dunlop, Holt, Macgregor) while providing more frequent services to the closer-in suburbs (eg Page, Florey).

So what happens is that discretionary passengers (those who do have other transport options) in the outer suburbs stop catching buses because it is less convenient. In turn network planners reduce the frequency to the outer suburbs and things just get worse.

Solution: I don't know. It's all very well to guarantee that all suburbs get A bus service when what's really needed is more direct services, not just more frequent ones.

I'm all in favour of completely overhaulling the current ACTION network - so much so that I even think that the current sacred cow "The Intertown" service needs a re-think. I agree with John that what is needed are separate peak and off-peak services - but to do that properly will require two entirely different sets of route numbers.

Anyway back to the Feb 09 changes. As well as splitting routes 4 and 8 there will be a new Xpresso service 704 servicing Hawker and Cook and route 71 doing a loop of Kaleen and Giralang to Belconnen.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on November 09, 2008, 04:13:41 PM
Page needs an xpresso!!
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 09, 2008, 06:07:10 PM
there's a lot of places that need one..
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on November 09, 2008, 06:21:07 PM
Your right, florey, melba (I think), kippax, holt among the major ones in the Belconnen area
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 09, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
Spot on about the Intertown Martin.

Quote from: Martin on November 09, 2008, 03:52:49 PMAnyway back to the Feb 09 changes. As well as splitting routes 4 and 8 there will be a new Xpresso service 704 servicing Hawker and Cook and route 71 doing a loop of Kaleen and Giralang to Belconnen.
Cook?! What? They already have the 10! Hawker, yes, but Cook?! Ugh.
The old 47? Ha ha, this is unbelievable, It's almost as though ACTION are pressing a big "Undo" button, we're reviving all of these routes.
But why a 71, the 30 and 31 already go to Belconnen?!
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 09, 2008, 08:41:31 PM
Forgive my extremely poor graphics skills, but this is what I envisage the Xpresso map for Belconnen to be in the very near future;
(https://www.actbus.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh175%2FRJT-RR-GR%2FPossibleBelconnenXpressoMap.jpg&hash=3702a52fc8fbeeffdf3f88b2c1461bc15350983d)
Really very sorry about the poor quality of work, but what do you all think of the general premis of the Xpressos?
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on November 09, 2008, 08:48:32 PM
I like your 708 idea, right down my street!
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Lockie on November 09, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Quote from: Martin on November 09, 2008, 03:52:49 PM
As well as splitting routes 4 and 8 ...
Yes !! This is the only change I personally wanted.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Barry Drive on November 10, 2008, 02:06:55 PM
John, love the map! It would be good to see an increase in direct peak services from other Belconnen suburbs. And as a bonus, re-open Macgregor terminus.

Quote from: Irisbus Rider on November 09, 2008, 08:06:51 PMCook?! What? They already have the 10! Hawker, yes, but Cook?! Ugh.
The old 47? Ha ha, this is unbelievable, It's almost as though ACTION are pressing a big "Undo" button, we're reviving all of these routes.
But why a 71, the 30 and 31 already go to Belconnen?!
Not sure of the exact route, but the 704 would ease some of the loading problems of the 10 during peak. Other than that, it might be similar to "709" on the map.

For 71 I don't have much detail, but it would be a limited service community route (which is why it is a 70 series) - it will serve ALL of Kaleen and Giralang (like the 47 did) whereas now with the 30 and 31 you can't get from Gwydir Square to Kaleen Village without going to Belconnen (assuming someone wanted to).
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 10, 2008, 05:13:53 PM
Thanks for the comments.

Ah, that 704 makes a bit of sense now, as the 10 really struggles in peak hour. Although, ACTION really should have seen that mammoth overcrowding coming, both the 40 and 41 had 20 min frequencies in peak hour, then they made the 10, which had a 15 min frequency! Ha, good luck trying to get that to work! But yeah, that 704 looks to be a bit of a success thinking about it.

And that 71 seems interesting, yeah, there must have been a few people on the 31 complaining that they can't go to Kaleen to shop. Off peak, yeah, seems like a good idea.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: ec6060 on November 11, 2008, 05:35:05 PM
Quote from: MAN 18.310 CNG on October 27, 2008, 08:21:46 PM
I mean 50 series numbers. # means a number therefore 5# means 50 something 

good idea, i would love to see the 50 series back. here are suggestions to replace routes 4 and 5 with;

4 east- 55

4 west- 56

5- 50
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on November 11, 2008, 06:39:25 PM
I think they have split it into 3.

These replace the Gungalhin parts:
56
58

and the 4 stays as the route to Geoscience Australia
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 13, 2008, 01:27:34 PM
They really ought to extend the 5(0) to Belconnen, and terminate the 56 and 58 at Gungahlin, as myself and another driver have discussed many times!
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Barry Drive on November 16, 2008, 12:35:57 PM
I don't mind the 56/58 going to Belconnen - but the 59 as well is unnecessary. They could change the 59 to run as a loop (like the 54 used to do) to/from Gungahlin with connections to the 56 or 58 from Belconnen and extend it to the City during peak.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Barry Drive on November 19, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Some more information on route 704 - according to the shift cards it will service Aranda, Macquarie, Hawker, Hawker College, Higgins and terminate at Kippax.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on November 19, 2008, 02:56:08 PM
I hope it's not a 17 + 10 to the city. Thats not an Xpresso! Thats not exactly express for the residents in the 17 part. And it's basically just an extra 10 then, but in this case, it'll be full by the time it gets to Macquarie! How odd.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 11, 2009, 12:05:26 PM
Here's some CONFIRMED route info (as predicted by a few of you guys, i might add) that we've heard about:

Route 4 will be split up into Route 4, Route 56 and Route 58
Route 8 will be split up into Route 8 and Route 80

New Routes Include:

71 - Belconnen Loop via Kaleen
77 - Woden Loop via Curtin and Canberra Hospital (possibly the opposite direction to the 76)



Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on January 11, 2009, 02:14:46 PM
Wow, 77, thats a good Idea, good to see ACTIONs looking after the oldies.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: lukeo25 on January 11, 2009, 04:17:05 PM
any changes to the intertowns i wonder or Xpressos ( i need an Xpresso to go from torrens shops via chifley shops and pearce shops to the city ) it will be like the 720 but will be numbered 721
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 11, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
No changes to the Xpresso services that I can see.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: The Love Guru on January 11, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
The route changes will happen in Feb, as they are on all the shifts that were picked in the last spill, which start on Feb 2nd.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on January 11, 2009, 08:20:01 PM
When will this info be released to the public? Also what about these changes that were planned for the closure of Belco Interchange
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: The Love Guru on January 11, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
ACT Govt have just released information to Belconnen residents about the changes. The last thing i was told, the interchange will close at the end of April, but i'm sure this is subject to change.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on January 11, 2009, 08:53:41 PM
It that info that new brochure about town centre improvements or something else?
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 16, 2009, 05:40:33 PM
The February 2 changes are now on ACTIONs website:

New Routes are 56, 58, 71, 76, 77, 80 and 704

All details here http://www.action.act.gov.au/improvements_to_network09.html

I'll add a Network 09 page onto the site soon
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 16, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
Good to see that Route 4 has been made into 3 routes.

But it appears that ACTION have altered the number series as 00-09 & 30-39 is for North/South Canberra
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 16, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
annnnnd we've already got a mistake

The PDF Timetable for Route 8 states "Dickson - Lyneham - Macarthur - City"

Whoops. (it refers to Macarthur Ave, but still..)

and on Route 56, a "street legend" (used where there's no room to type the names on the map) lists three streets that arent even on the route.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Lockie on January 16, 2009, 10:43:21 PM
I am loving the split of the 4.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 16, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Mr Snrub on January 16, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
...on Route 56, a "street legend" (used where there's no room to type the names on the map) lists three streets that arent even on the route.

Street number 4 is on Route 56.

Although I just picked on the old 4 in Gungahlin is shows Route 5 at Gungahlin Marketplace.

I do wonder what was the point of splitting Route 4?
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: lukeo25 on January 17, 2009, 01:52:37 AM
Quote from: TP 3000 on January 16, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
I do wonder what was the point of splitting Route 4?

maybe lots of people got confused by the route number

also BAD idea no late services to DFO when it is late nite shopping on what ever day it is there :(

good idea a service to DFO 
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 17, 2009, 09:43:56 AM
DFO closes at 6pm every night..
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 17, 2009, 12:37:25 PM
The Network 09 page can now be found on the site under the "Information > Routes" Menu
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Barry Drive on January 18, 2009, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: TP 3000 on January 16, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
But it appears that ACTION have altered the number series as 00-09 & 30-39 is for North/South Canberra
What you talking 'bout? Or ''please explain''? There are no problems with the new route numbers used.

Another error: the map for route 58 has many errors - it shows the 'temporary' route through Franklin but does not follow Christina Stead Ave properly, it labels Cultivation St as Carpentaria St [Ryan - please fix route in Network 09], it calls Anthony Rolfe Av Anthony Rolfe Street and then the line shows the route travels along Rudd St which is labelled Girrahween St.

I was hoping that route 58 would see the route change to travel along Oodergoo Av but maybe there's not enough people living there yet.

704 timetable refers to "KIppax". BTW 704 will go through Cook, even though the map has no suburb labels for Cook, Macquarie or Aranda.

Either Transit Graphics has some new staff or this was an extremely rushed job because the quality is poor. Maybe the errors will be fixed up before they are printed.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 18, 2009, 08:57:23 PM
thanks Martin, will fix that up.

How the hell they mistake Rudd and Girrahween i don't know... They're a whole three blocks apart.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 18, 2009, 09:03:04 PM
Also, to be fair - I just checked Google Maps and they have incorrectly marked Cultivation and Carpenteria as well.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Barry Drive on January 18, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
I've just had a look at the Route 80 timetable. The map may be wrong - the directions for 980 through DFO were originally what is shown but it was then changed to go Newcastle St (L) Iron Knob St (L) Beaconsfield St (cont) Tom Price St (R) Iron Knob St. Also the map shows the 80 route goes back along the Canberra Av service road and through Lithgow and Wiluna Streets after Symonston North when the current 8 goes straight along Canberra Av and Monaro Highway.

Once the official route listing get handed out I'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 18, 2009, 10:01:42 PM
I was behind a 980 yesterday & he went via Canberra Avenue.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Barry Drive on January 23, 2009, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: TP 3000 on January 18, 2009, 10:01:42 PM
I was behind a 980 yesterday & he went via Canberra Avenue.
Doesn't surprise me. I'll bet it was a Tuggeranong depot bus.

Have picked up most of the printed timetables (not 80 though). Most of the errors mentioned below are still there. Also some new ones:
- the timetables for 30, 31 and 71 are not colour-coded to match the map.
- the Route 8 description says Dickson to City via Lyneham, Macarthur Avenue, Miller Street and O'Connor - when it doesn't travel along Macarthur Ave at all.
- the timing for 704 is incorrect - it allows 5 minutes between Hawker College and shops which the same as for route 17, except that 704 doesn't travel via Erldunda Cct.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 24, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
I would hardly call this network  09. These are minor changes, the major changes will come in April when the belco interchange closes.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 25, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
Today I saw at the stop of Melrose Dr after Launceston Street (northbound) that the timetable has been taken off the new orange bus stop stand & placed in the old bus stop sign.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 27, 2009, 07:09:20 PM
There was a letter in "The Canberra Times" this weekend from an Evatt Resident who thinks that ACTION should send the new 56 through Evatt as apparently Evatt residents need direct access to Gungahlin shops. Although if I lived in Evatt & needed to get to Gungahlin, I would catch the 52 to William Slim Dr & transfer into a 56 or 58 to Gungahlin
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Busnerd on January 27, 2009, 09:26:57 PM
Doesn't Evatt get the 56 anyway? or the 956 at least
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 27, 2009, 09:30:04 PM
the 56 doesnt exist anymore. The 956 services evatt via William Webb and part of Owen Dixon.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 27, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
This letter was in relation to Network '09 changes.

The new 56 & 58 go via Kaleen/Giralang. While the 52 now goes through Evatt.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Barry Drive on January 29, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: Martin on January 18, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
I've just had a look at the Route 80 timetable. The map may be wrong - the directions for 980 through DFO were originally what is shown but it was then changed to go Newcastle St (L) Iron Knob St (L) Beaconsfield St (cont) Tom Price St (R) Iron Knob St. Also the map shows the 80 route goes back along the Canberra Av service road and through Lithgow and Wiluna Streets after Symonston North when the current 8 goes straight along Canberra Av and Monaro Highway.

Once the official route listing get handed out I'll know for sure.
The official "lefts and rights" are out - the map for route 80 is correct. On the other hand, the timetable map for 704 is not correct: it is supposed to travel along Erldunda Cct. Let's see how many people that will confuse.

In other news - the routes which travel via the busway won't after 2 Feb.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 29, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Which way will the go. The most logical way would be the road the 45 uses but knowing ACTION they will do Lathalain st.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Bus 400 on January 29, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
Actually the may start to use Lathlain St (including the 45 eventually) as we need to remember that once Belconnen Interchanges are complete, all services that come from the west will go to Lathlain St first then go onto Cohen St.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 29, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Has anyone looked at the map for the changes? The pics are really out of date.
342 has accreditation, there is a .3 with 41 on the desto and 310 on a 34 also with accreditation
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 29, 2009, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: Martin on January 29, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
In other news - the routes which travel via the busway won't after 2 Feb.

i take it they're starting work there then?
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 29, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
I am going to ring ACTION as there is nothing on the website and I am interested to find out where the routes will go instead.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 29, 2009, 05:17:09 PM
And believe it or not the people at ACTION information have no details on this at all.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: belcodriver on January 29, 2009, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Martin on January 29, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
On the other hand, the timetable map for 704 is not correct: it is supposed to travel along Erldunda Cct. Let's see how many people that will confuse.

On the pamphlet about the changes there is a map of all the Xpressos and it shows the 704 going along Erldunda.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Snorzac on January 31, 2009, 12:22:41 PM
704 will be interesting, is it an artic shift?
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Buzz Killington on January 31, 2009, 12:44:14 PM
i'd say standard to start, until they can gauge pax numbers
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on February 02, 2009, 05:25:31 AM
In 5 minutes time the first service for the Network will leave Tuggeranong. (Route 300)
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on February 02, 2009, 05:30:03 AM
We are now officially running on Network 09! The first service for the network has departed.
Title: Re: Network '09 (Feb 2 Changes Are Here!)
Post by: Barry Drive on February 02, 2009, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: belcodriver on January 29, 2009, 09:57:48 PMOn the pamphlet about the changes there is a map of all the Xpressos and it shows the 704 going along Erldunda.
Somehow the pamphlet got it right and the timetable got it wrong. Someone's quality checking is clearly not up to scratch.

Zac, if you look at the map/pamphlet you will see that (3)12 and (3)15 have been re-directed along Benjamin/Chan/Lathlain/Luxton. This also applies to 902 and 907. (Which means that drivers can no longer shortcut 902 on weekends.)

As far as I know, they have not started work on the Busway - the change is to get passengers used to going via Lathlain St.

Quote from: Renault PR100.3 on January 31, 2009, 12:22:41 PM
704 will be interesting, is it an artic shift?
I don't think it is - Belconnen's artics are probably already all used  during peak.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on February 02, 2009, 10:49:57 PM
On the info board at Tuggeranong Interchange, the new 60/160 timetable has been pasted over the 61/161 timetable.

Also the new timtable at stop 2002 (Launceston St outside Tradies) has had route 314 taken of it.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on February 03, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
They haven't reprogrammed the destos. The 704 run by 896 today just had special, why the driver didn't put 704 up as the number and the data as 110 I don't know.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 03, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
one i saw today on a scania:

705 Belconnen Expresso
via Parkway 705

That's right, the number changes sides when it scrolls.

Also, it seems the Scania destos got reprogrammed so that the number is now on the right hand side, e.g. [Gordon 318] instead of [318 Gordon]


Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on February 03, 2009, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: Mr Snrub on February 03, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
one i saw today on a scania:
705 Belconnen Expresso
via Parkway 705
That's right, the number changes sides when it scrolls.

I've seen similar for route 23 this week. It nows has 23 in the middle of the screen.

Quote from: Mr Snrub on February 03, 2009, 07:29:20 PM
Also, it seems the Scania destos got reprogrammed so that the number is now on the right hand side, e.g. [Gordon 318] instead of [318 Gordon]

This is so they are the same as the MAN Destos. Also the destos are improving with there finally being destos for Kambah that says:

"Tuggeranong Interchange"
"via Kambah West"

Also on 318 & 319 are both using Lanyon Marketplace as the desto instead of Gordon or Conder/Banks.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on February 03, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: TP 3000 on February 03, 2009, 07:35:01 PM

Also on 318 & 319 are both using Lanyon Marketplace as the desto instead of Gordon or Conder/Banks.
Been Like that since June.

Good to see that I'm not the only one that thought the Hanovers had been re-done
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 03, 2009, 07:49:58 PM
yeah, forgot to include the MANs.

The destos still could use more info, ie:

318 Lanyon Marketplace / via Interchanges / and Gordon
319 Lanyon Marketplace / via Interchanges / Bonython Conder Banks
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: ec6060 on February 03, 2009, 08:08:10 PM
QuoteThis is so they are the same as the MAN Destos. Also the destos are improving with there finally being destos for Kambah that says:

"Tuggeranong Interchange"
"via Kambah West"

the destro for route 3 has changed as well since monday. this is similar to route 934's destro

"Woden/Belconnen Interchange"
"via Hospitals"

for 56 and 58:
"Belconnen/City Interchange"
"via Palmerston/Harrision"
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: bubzie on February 03, 2009, 10:08:44 PM
388's desto yesterday was ""11 calwell/erindale woden interchange"...
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on February 03, 2009, 11:40:53 PM
Route 67 now has desto "Tuggeranong Interchange/Woden Interchange, Chisholm Shops"
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on February 05, 2009, 05:33:28 PM
A pat on the back to whoever has written these new destos, good work!
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 05, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
How long has route 82 been running? Saw one for the first time today.

Needless to say, it was empty.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on February 05, 2009, 06:28:21 PM
First time I saw it was in December
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Bus 400 on February 05, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
A new desto that I saw today for 729 was:

"Cooleman Court Xpresso" "Duffy Xpresso"
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: I_adore_buses on February 21, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
I live in Hume and I don't drive and it is a pain for me to get into Civic.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Busnerd on February 21, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
There's houses in hume?
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: lukeo25 on February 21, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
who would live there? no bus service and just taxis and nothing else
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Sir Pompously on February 21, 2009, 03:20:48 PM
There is no housing in Hume itself (And if there is, I have not seen any), however there are a few estates/farms over the border in NSW and also behind Macarthur.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Irisbus Rider on September 10, 2009, 09:20:05 PM
Apparently, a timetable change is happening soon, and drivers are picking new shifts accordingly.

Don't have too much info, hopefully, it will be a more significant change than we've had in the past.
But, considering we will be receiving a constant stream of new buses in the next few weeks, that may indicate there will be a few additional services placed here and there.

I'm sure more information will be shared in the coming days.
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 10, 2009, 09:36:32 PM
ready for redex?
Title: Re: Network '09
Post by: Snorzac on September 10, 2009, 09:44:41 PM
As far as I know the only shift pick is for holiday shifts.

Redex is still a fair way off