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Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 14, 2018, 09:29:00 AMFor those of us like myself who have only buses as a choice of accessibility (no taxi, no phone for uber, nothin')
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 17, 2018, 07:24:39 PMOk, but 10-15 minutes I don't think would exactly be necessary, surely 20-30 would be enough.
Quote from: triumph on July 17, 2018, 09:16:59 PMCommenting on the airport aspect, it is easy to overlook the substantial non-aviation commercial development that exists there. A bigger concern however, is that a large number of flights depart very early in the morning. Taking into account check-in times, the present bus service is not useful for substantial numbers of passengers, especially from beyond the City. This is a major failing of public transport in general. Each service is treated in isolation rather than being considered as a whole co-ordinated system from origin to destination.
Quote from: King of Buses on July 17, 2018, 09:18:29 PMHowever, the Spence to Belconnen sector of the R3, the Fraser to Kippax sector of the R2, the Calwell to Lanyon section of the R5 and the Watson to Dickson sector of the R9 however won't likely build patronage like this, so I'm more concerned about why these areas need a bus every 10-15 mins all day, when maybe only every second trip could service these sections of the routes
Quote from: triumph on July 17, 2018, 09:16:59 PMMelbourne trams are a good example of how users automatically opt for the trams when services are frequent. Very often, on week days at least, if you miss a tram the next is already in sight.
Quote from: Snorzac on July 17, 2018, 09:38:53 PMHit the nail on the head...the earliest flight you can currently make based off check in times is an 0715 departure if you really want to push it, this leaves at least 5 flights from one airline alone (plus whatever the opposition offer) not serviced by public transport on a weekday morning, evenings you do not have any service to the only arrival from both Perth and the Gold Coast each day as well as no access to public transport for passengers travelling to or from Canberra on a Singapore Airlines. You could argue that services on this particular service should operate at earlier hours of the morning or later into the evening but then that raises the issue of what it connects with and whether it is worth operating a service with no connections. Personally I believe that Canberra should move to a 24 hour network with hourly to half hour trunk or rapid services connecting with flexible demand responsive area services. Whilst patronage isn't ever going to be high for these services, there is still a need for it in my opinion and this would solve the afformentioned issues with a service to the airport.
Quote'Insulting': bus route changes hit elderly, defence personnelFinbar O'MallonBy Finbar O'Mallon25 July 2018 — 8:49pm Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Send via EmailLeave a commentCrace residents protested against the ACT government's proposed 2019 changes to Canberra's bus routes on Wednesday.About 40 protesters gathered at the route 54 bus stop near the Crace shops, temporarily stopping a Belconnen-bound bus.Residents of Goodwin Retirement Village and supportive neighbours in Crace hold a silent demonstration to protest the government's proposed changes to their bus route. They briefly stepped out in front of the 11.22am bus.Photo: Karleen MinneyThe protests mark a tide of growing anger against the government's flagged changes, following on from cancellation of dedicated bus services for Canberra schools.In Braddon, older locals are concerned the routes will confine them to the inner-north. Another proposed change would force defence personnel in Campbell Park to walk a kilometre on the side of an unlit road to catch a new bus from Fairbairn Avenue.The Crace protesters, mainly elderly residents of the nearby Goodwin Retirement Village, currently catch the 54 bus directly to Belconnen.AdvertisementBut the government's proposed changes would mean the 54 stop at the shops would be axed, forcing travellers to walk nearly one kilometre to Gundaroo Drive to catch a bus into Gungahlin before catching a second to Belconnen.Crace residents committee secretary Sue Brudenall said most of the village residents travelled to Belconnen for their doctors and medical appointments, shopping or just to see the movies."There's a lot more at Belconnen than at Gungahlin at the moment," Ms Brudenall said.Ms Brudenall said there was no shelter on the way to the new stop at Gundaroo Drive."That's too much for a lot of people who are in their 70s because it's about a kilometre walk, plus they're doing all the roadworks," Ms Brudenall said.Ms Brudenall said the bus was also used by University of Canberra students.A small group of the residents will be back at the Crace chops on Saturday to collect signatures for a petition they plan to hand to ACT Opposition Leader Liberal MLA Alistair Coe.A transport directorate spokesman told The Canberra Times on Thursday confirmed the government had received a submission from the village.It admitted alternative stops for Crace residents were a further walk but said the government's "flexibus", a free community shuttle for older Canberrans and those with mobility issues, could take them to the stops.In Braddon, Jennifer Bluhm - a resident of retirement village Girrahween Lodge - said potential changes to the route seven bus expected in 2019 were insulting.Lodge residents are able to catch the route seven bus right outside their door on Girrahween Street, but changes would force them to either walk three blocks south to Cooyong Road for a route 52 bus or six blocks west to Northbourne Avenue for the then-completed tram.Ms Bluhm said one of the lodge residents was an 82-year-old woman with a walker."She's not going to walk to Northbourne Avenue in any event, she said 'I may as well walk to Civic'," Ms Bluhm said.While the route seven bus takes the lodge residents straight to Belconnen, the 52 bus travels to Dickson shops where they would take a second bus to Belconnen."Who ever heard of two buses connecting?" Ms Bluhm asked.Ms Bluhm said her gym and her doctor were based in Belconnen, and she normally travelled to her doctor on weekends, when the 52 bus doesn't operate.The government has suggested inner-north residents use the "flexibus".But this free service only takes them to Civic, Dickson or Ainslie."How would you feel if someone says you can only go to Civic?" Ms Bluhm said.Ms Bluhm said while she might be able to accept it, she doubted ACT government ministers would. Transport staff had told Ms Bluhm the changes may be reviewed but it's possible they would stay as flagged."I put it in the insulting category. I think it's very poorly considered and just a mess," Ms Bluhm said.Ms Bluhm said perhaps she had been naive but this was never raised when the government began constructing the tram."It was never said that the whole bus network would be upset to accommodate the tram," she said.Ms Bluhm said no one had considered the social cost of these changes either, confining people to suburbs, forcing medical personnel to travel to them and friends who no longer drove to be separated.The Braddon locals are meeting on Friday at St Columba's Church from 1pm where they expect local opposition MLAs and transport heads to attend.A transport directorate spokesman said the government would meet with Braddon residents but said they also had alternatives of the flexibus or a subsidised taxi scheme.Elsewhere, a bus stop outside the defence offices in Campbell Park, opposite Duntroon, would be cut under the route changes.Staff would be then forced to walk down Northcott Drive, an unlit road with no footpath, to catch a bus off Fairbairn Avenue.A Transport directorate spokesman said they would meet with Campbell Park staff to discuss the changes but said the route seven bus only is only used modestly during peak hour on weekdays.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on August 25, 2018, 11:47:29 PMFor example; R4 & R5 will operate some trips via Alfred Deakin High, instead of running on Yarra Glen between Woden and Civic.This information was found at this link; https://canberrabuses.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Alfred_Deakin_High_Guide.pdf
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on August 26, 2018, 03:44:42 PMmore full buses on suburban routes forcing more real patrons to wait etc.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on August 26, 2018, 05:08:07 PMI think fuller buses on suburban routes is exactly the point. Better than running empty buses. And I'd be keen to learn what definition of a real patron excludes students catching a bus to school.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on August 26, 2018, 10:33:41 PMYou are aware of what the old saying is, "children are to be seen and not heard"; I do not wish for my bus to travel 10 minutes out of the way to pick up some screaming brats, they should be on a school bus instead. My car does not deviate for screaming children; neither should my bus.
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 27, 2018, 05:52:56 PMI wonder if a different idea would be to start a 4 & 5 from schools like Alfred Deakin & Melrose/Marist High Schools. Bit like Belconnen suburban buses do now from Radford.