Started by ajw373, October 17, 2014, 11:07:23 PM
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QuoteThe way this is then treated by ACTION's terminal is as though you failed to 'tag off' the first route number, so it forces a tag off from the first route number in the computer system, and 'transfers' you onto the second route number. Because it is doing this as you are physically getting off the bus, the next time that you tag onto a bus, you get a default fare penalty for not having tagged off your previous bus (currently a $1.66 default charge for an adult user).
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on October 18, 2014, 10:35:29 AMAnyway, the circumstance described by the original post does not seem to be about staying on a bus between routes when it changes, but rather when the driver changes the trip BEFORE the passengers have tagged off.
Quote from: ... on October 18, 2014, 11:38:47 AMI end up getting charged about 7 default fares a year. However, the most common scenario i've come across is that when you check afterwards on the action website, the machine thinks you got onto the service which the bus was previously servicing, hence tapping you on when you tap off and a default fare applied.a recent case was when I tapped onto the 30, it thought i'd tapped onto the 10, which was the service it had just finished. This would be the opposite situation to where the driver is not changing it properly before letting passengers on, or there being a slight delay between the driver changing it and the machine getting the data
Quote from: ajw373 on October 17, 2014, 11:07:23 PMSo got me thinking how many other 'connections' are there were goggle transit tells people they can stay on the bus. I wouldn't have thought many at all, Also does Action advertise these as a same bus 'transfers' like google transit seems to do. Lastly how would google transit know it is the exact same bus?
Quote from: CNG on October 19, 2014, 07:46:11 AMReally smitho,That is almost invading the drivers privacy if Google is saying what runs they do after an xpresso and the nerve of people wanting to stay on board I would tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine. How does google transit even find that out ?
Quote$ grep 4288004 trips.txt route_id,service_id,trip_id,trip_headsign,direction_id,block_id,shape_id,wheelchair_accessible252-10276,2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,21768326-2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,"South",1,4288004,2520020,1200-10276,2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,21772438-2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,"North",0,4288004,2000024,156-10276,2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,21772790-2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,"South",1,4288004,560030,110-10276,2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,21773077-2014-COMBMAST-Weekday-01,"Clockwise",0,4288004,100012,1
Quote$ grep '4214812' trips.txt route_id,service_id,trip_id,trip_headsign,direction_id,block_id,shape_id,wheelchair_accessible791-10276,2014-COMBVac-Weekday-00,21310830-2014-COMBVac-Weekday-00,"South",1,4214812,7910010,164-10276,2014-COMBVac-Weekday-00,21310981-2014-COMBVac-Weekday-00,"South",1,4214812,640010,1
Quote from: smitho on October 18, 2014, 10:02:17 PMTo clarify, Google Transit does NOT tell passengers that they can stay on the bus, but rather, that the same bus operates both route services.
Quote from: ... on October 19, 2014, 08:35:16 AMMaybe ACTION gives google transit all the shifts rather than the timetables
Quote from: Maxious on October 19, 2014, 10:42:50 AMThey could be misusing the block id to actually mean the same vehicle is doing theses trips/runs for the real time transit system (if it's late on one run, going to be late starting the next). That's not the way to do it though.
Quote from: smitho on October 19, 2014, 08:17:07 PMHey CNG, with your very colourful turn of phrase, I reckon you could make a good speechwriter for Tony Abbott or even Mr Putin if you were happy to defect to the Soviets.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 08, 2014, 10:42:20 PMThe new GTFS released earlier this week has excluded block_ids. So no more "continue as" messages.