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Bus procurement after 2020

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Toyota Camry

October 12, 2020, 06:59:16 PM Last Edit: June 04, 2021, 10:36:30 AM by Barry Drive
This Saturday is the 2020 ACT election, where we will elect the leaders of our territory for the next 4 years; the only logical option is to re-elect our excellent Barr Government, who will be continuing with the light rail to Woden, as well as preventing climate change by introducing an electric bus fleet.

Barry Drive

Following on from the election and the subsequent parliamentary agreement between Labor and The Greens, transport minister Chris Steel has just announced their plans for bus procurement for the next four years:

● In early 2021, they will tender for the lease of 34 low-floor buses with the intention of retiring all Renaults by the second half of 2021

● a "market sounding" has commenced regarding 90 electric buses; the intention is for them to commence from 2021-22 financial year through to 2024


triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on December 23, 2020, 10:55:27 AMFollowing on from the election and the subsequent parliamentary agreement between Labor and The Greens, transport minister Chris Steel has just announced their plans for bus procurement for the next four years:

● In early 2021, they will tender for the lease of 34 low-floor buses with the intention of retiring all Renaults by the second half of 2021

● a "market sounding" has commenced regarding 90 electric buses; the intention is for them to commence from 2021-22 financial year through to 2024

Wellington, NZ, already has 10 fully electric double-deckers (fleet nos. 3700-3709) in urban service with Tranzurban. These vehicles are locally assembled in NZ by Kiwi bus using Chinese TEG chassis, Microvast lithium ion battery technology, and a pantograph to interact with Heliox fast charging systems at selected en-route sites. A further 98 are on order for service by early 2023. They are about $NZ1,000,000 each.
Existing bus supply (not purchase) contracts expire in 2027 and it is stated that diesel bus bids will not be accepted for supply from 2027! Thus Wellington urban buses should be fully electric from 2027. An advance from the 70(?) trolley buses retired when the system closed at the end of October 2017.

Could this be a hint of where Transport Canberra might be heading?

(Assembled from internet sources e&oe)   

ajw373

Quote from: triumph on January 03, 2021, 07:26:20 PMCould this be a hint of where Transport Canberra might be heading?


Personally I don't think it means a thing in relation to the way we will go in Canberra.

Barry Drive

March 11, 2021, 09:41:16 AM #4 Last Edit: March 11, 2021, 10:40:57 AM by Barry Drive
Quote from: triumph on January 03, 2021, 07:26:20 PMCould this be a hint of where Transport Canberra might be heading?
Transport Canberra / Minister Steel has now released an Industry Project Briefing regarding the intended bus procurements. (Link to PDF)

Some details:
  • The tender for 34 leased buses [¹] will be issued in second quarter 2021 (i.e. April-June).
  • Woden Depot construction to commence late 2021, should be completed early 2023. Woden capacity 110 buses; expected to initially hold 40 electric and 60 diesel buses.
  • Electric bus tender to be issued in third quarter 2021 – 90 buses to be delivered from 2022 to 2024.
  • Up to 50 buses from this order will stored and operated from an as yet undecided (and unbuilt) location or locations [²]: it is NOT intended for electric buses to be garaged at either existing depot (at this stage). The site of this additional, temporary depot (or depots) will be part of the tender process.

¹ - tender will be open to "lower emission diesel and battery electric buses"; further specifications (such as age limit) will have to wait until the tender is issued. And yes, I know there are more than 34 Renaults currently in service.

² - no details about how this will actually work: will drivers have to be shuttled en masse to collect buses each day?

Barry Drive

Quote from: Barry Drive on December 23, 2020, 10:55:27 AM● In early 2021, they will tender for the lease of 34 low-floor buses with the intention of retiring all Renaults by the second half of 2021
It's April. Still no tender issued.

Call me crazy, but maybe the "all Renaults retired by 2021" target won't be achieved.

Barry Drive

Three tenders were released yesterday regarding the "34 leased buses":

1. Supply of 26 low floor Rigid Diesel City Buses
2. Supply of 8 low floor Rigid Battery Electric City Buses
3. Provision of off-site charging facility and (34) Electric City Buses

Having seen the contents of the tender documents, they are looking for newly built buses but with a lease period of 5, 7 or 10 years. Stock or demonstrators might be allowed, provided they are subject to the same warranty conditions as a new bus.

Tender #3 appears to be an alternative to 1 & 2. It is for both a new offsite depot which can store and charge 34 electric buses as well as for up to 34 electric buses. However, this tender seems to allow for completion by October 2022 - which would presumably prevent any bus withdrawals before then; or maybe they'd start with 8 buses first and then a further 26 in Oct 2022.

The media release from Chris Steel suggests that the "new buses are expected to join the fleet in late 2021", but if they choose to go all electric this can only occur when a charging facility/depot which can cater for 34 buses is available.

Tenders 1 & 2 close 1 July 2021 and Tender 3 closes 15 July.

Bus 400

I'm curious as to why the Government chose to lease 34 buses, rather than just release a tender for 120+ buses? 

Either way in 2022, the electric fleet will be hitting road.

Barry Drive

One or more of the following reasons:

1. It was an election commitment.

2. Leasing electric buses allows them to evaluate their performance and support (spare parts) without committing to a large purchase order. Although this will only be beneficial if there is sufficient time to make an evaluation before signing a purchase contract.

3. The delayed construction of Woden Depot has necessitated a temporary recharge depot - which will be leased by TC rather than purpose built. So until such a facility exists (and/or Woden Depot is built), they are not able to buy buses without knowing if they'll be able to store them.

triumph

Almost time to start a competition (or book....) forecasting the last Renault in service, and last day of service.

Barry Drive

Last day in service? Considering they're still talking about leasing 34 buses to replace 39 Renaults, I can't see them all going until the first purchased Electric Buses are delivered - and that's meant to be late 2022. (And that's dependent on the temporary depot, because Woden Depot isn't expected to be ready until 2023.)