Game: alternative bus routes

Started by Barry Drive, March 14, 2022, 02:20:17 PM

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Barry Drive

New game. Possibly the last one.

This one is a bit technical, so hopefully my explanation is understandable.

Imagine you are at location X and want to catch a bus to location Y. You can either catch bus R1 or R2 from bus stops S1 or S2 from opposite sides of the same road.

The rules:
• answer must provide X Y R1 R2 S1 and S2;
• R1 & R2 and S1 & S2 must be different;
• loop services (such as 25/26) do not count as "different" route numbers, unless the answer relates to a destination other than the terminus;
• regular Transport Canberrra (ACTION) routes only;
• school routes and diversions are not eligible;
• routes and stops must be active at time of submission;
• if the answer can be applied to more than one set of consecutive stops, only one answer can be submitted;
• rules may be adjusted or clarified during the game as required.

Each person can only submit one answer at a time and may not submit consecutive entries (unless otherwise permitted).

A previous correct submission or one with the same stops and routes, but different destinations OR same routes but different stops near to a similar entry is not valid.

Game ends when there are no more valid answers or if there's been 7 days elapsed since a valid answer.

There is no prize.

Hopefully this gives some idea of how the game works.

Casey Market Town (Kingsland Parade) to Gungahlin Interchange
25 & 27
Stops 6109 & 6110

Stan butler

I've got no idea what you are asking or wanting......

Sylvan Loves Buses

#2
Think I get it.
I would've gone with 'Round-a-bouts used by bus routes' or similar for another game. I can still think of plenty of alternatives we can try. Anything to keep the forum active - which is what I assume is one of the points of these games.


Namadgi School to Kambah Pool Road.
70 & 71
Stops 1299/1300 & 1273

Northside

Harrison (Cultivation and Jenolan Sts) to Gungahlin via 18 (Western stops) or 22 (Eastern stops). Multiple stops.

743

Holder - Mulley St to Woden Interchange
Routes 65 & 66
Stops 2112 & 2113

narc855

I think I get it so let's check.
You can catch 59 from Melbourne Ave after Somers Cr (2593) to City Interchange, or you can catch 57/58 from Melbourne Ave after Canterbury Cr (2217) to City Interchange.

vnguyen

Narrabundah  College to City Interchange
R6 & 56
Stops 2338 & 2339

I think this is how it works.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#7
Had to change my submission cause i immediately notcied i cucked myself by choosing a network 16 combination.

Baldwin Drive to Ellenborough St
Routes 30 and 31
Stops 5012 to 4820

❌ No. You need to nominate stops across the road from each other - such as Narrabundah College as above.

Quote from: Stan butler on March 14, 2022, 08:27:05 PMI've got no idea what you are asking or wanting......
You basically choose two routes that can go to two of the same locations but take an alternative way of getting there. We just can't choose the same routes again like vnguyen's R6/56 or the same A to B. Should get real trickly later on.

⚠️ but the alternatives must depart from opposite sides of the same street

vnguyen

A set of stops on the same street going to the same destination but using different routes in the opposite direction.

743

Higgins Shops to Kippax
Routes 44 & 45
Stops 4341 & 4342

Sylvan Loves Buses

Nice edit...

Fine then
Kosciuszko Avenue to Gungahlin Interchange
Routes 21 & 23
Stops 4784/4785 to 7012

triumph

Box Hill Ave Stop 1216 rte 81, Stop 1218 Rte 80 to Tuggeranong Interchange

vnguyen

Wattle St,Lyneham to Dickson
50 & 51
3377 & 3346

narc855

We may get some tricky ones out first.
At Narrabundah College, you can take R6 or 902 to Woden Interchange. And since the 902 can depart from both sides of the road, it fits the requirement "opposite bus stop".
i.e. I take 902 from stop 2238 to Woden and take R6 from stop 2239 to Woden.

Barry Drive

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 17, 2022, 02:44:06 PMNice edit...
The "opposite sides" rule was always part of the game - all I changed was to make it bold.

Quote from: narc855 on March 17, 2022, 04:34:17 PMWe may get some tricky ones out first.
There are not that many locations (as far as I know), so they may all be tricky.

So here's another tricky one:
Stops 3382 & 3383 Ellenborough St.
Route 51 to Dickson, Route 30/31 to Dickson. (Also works as 51 to City and 31 to City)

Sylvan Loves Buses

Kingsford Smith Drive to Tillyard Drive
Routes 41 & 42
Stops 4570/4839 to 4490

743

Watson Terminus to Watson Shops
Routes R9 & 50
Stops 3345 & 3384

narc855

Second one of the loop route.
At Russell Office Russell Drive  55 and 56/R3 go to City from different sides.

triumph

Wheeler Cresc Stop 1467 route 72, and stop 1469 route 73, both to Tuggeranong Interchange


vnguyen

#19
Theodore Shops to Tuggeranong
74 & 76
1559 & 1556

⚠️ Richardson. Not that there are any shops at the moment.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#20
Belconnen Westfield Bus Station to Copland Drive
Routes R3 & 43
Stops 5501/5504 to 4072

⚠️ 5501/5502. This answer also covers 5513/5514 under the "consecutive stops" rule.

narc855

Coulter Drive to Belconnen.
e.g. stops 4273&4274 (Coulter Drive & schumack st) to stops 5503 (Westfield Belconnen).
Route 45 & 47.

743

Dickson Shops - Cowper St to Canberra Centre
Routes 31 & 53
Stops 3132 & 3164

Sylvan Loves Buses

Isabella Plains Shops to Tuggeranong
Routes 79 from Stop 1007 and 78 from 1008 to 2713

vnguyen

#24
I'm not sure if this is allowed from my last submission

Richardson Shops to Erindale
75 & 76  (74 and 75 is a loop service)
1559 & 1556

✅ meets the requirements for a valid entry

743

#25
Streeton Dr (Chapman/Stirling) to Woden Interchange
Routes 63 & 64
Stops 2542 & 2582

narc855

This is a weekend only one and so I post it at weekend.
North Weston Park & Ride to City
R7 & R10

The reason is that R10 operates as a loop at weekend now, no layover at Denman anymore.

vnguyen

Staying on the same street but different routes.

Clift Crescent in Richardson to Tuggeranong Interchange.
75 & 78
1492 & 1493

743

Ashley Dr (Gowrie/Monash) to Woden Interchange
Routes R5 & 77
Stops 1838 & 1839

Sylvan Loves Buses

Mawson Shops to Wilkins Street
Routes 61 & 62
Stops 2044/2045 and 2040

vnguyen

Clift Crescent in Richardson to Tuggeranong.

This is bit more tricky.

Take 78 from stop 1493 to Tuggeranong where it goes to Chisholm shops first and loops from there.

Take 74 from stop 1492 on the opposite side.

narc855

Yamba Dr opp Canberra Hospital to Woden Interchange
Route 72/76/77 (2095) and route 60 (2382).

743

#32
Old Katherine Ave Turnaround to Gungahlin Place
Routes 19 & 26
Stops 6001 & 6033

*Note to B. Drive: do let me know if this isn't OK. I understand the rule about loop routes not being valid, but since these two aren't a pair, I think it might be right.

✅ valid answer. This answer also covers all similar stops along Katherine Ave.

triumph

Eardley St Stop 4971 Rte 901 and Stop 4982 Rte R9 to Belconnen Interchange

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: narc855 on March 20, 2022, 08:07:31 PM72/76/77
Shouldn't these entries either be disqualified or require a singular answer. I don't think it's fair to have a selection of the routes, especially if there's another combination that one or more of the other routes can have.


Haydon Drive to Belconnen Community Bus Station
Routes 901 & 23
Stops 4007/4008 to 5517

narc855

#35
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 21, 2022, 04:12:10 AMShouldn't these entries either be disqualified or require a singular answer. I don't think it's fair to have a selection of the routes, especially if there's another combination that one or more of the other routes can have.

Well I think it doesn't really matter, I can edit it and make it a single 72, and according to the rules you can't sumbit another one with 76 and 60 neither so yeah.

Next entry:
Southern Cross Drive before Chave Street (4908) / after Dalley Cr (4909) to Fraser West Terminus.
Route R2 and 40

✅ also applies to Kippax and Belconnen as destinations.

⚠️ the rules as stated did allow for multiple entries with different route numbers - something which I didn't consider. So from here on: it won't be valid to submit same stops/destinations but different route numbers.

vnguyen

#36
UC Hospital to Belconnen Interchange

Route 901 at stop 1736
Route 31 at stop 1737

✅ this answer also applies to stops 1738 & 1739

743

Holt - Drake-Brockman Dr to Kippax
Routes 44 & 903
Stops 4945 & 4946
(+ other common stops along Drake-Brockman)

Sylvan Loves Buses

#38
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 18, 2022, 11:18:02 AM⚠️ 5501/5502. This answer also covers 5513/5514 under the "consecutive stops" rule.
Sorry for all the pickiness but if I'm reading into this correctly also, then most of the answers that include an interchange or similar also fall into this same issue. For Tuggeranong as an example, unless it's an R4 or 71 combo, then the answers should be on Athllon, Soward, Scollay or Anketell, not the interchange as there's 1-5 (depending on the combo) officially designated 'consecutive' stops before the interchange. As far as I'm concerned, those answers should be the first possible stop that the routes both arrive at, not the more obvious answer.


Speaking of which...
Launceston Street to Lakeside Leisure Centre
Routes R4 and 71
Stops 2002/2031 & 1408

triumph

#39
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 21, 2022, 04:12:10 AMHaydon Drive to Belconnen Community Bus Station
Routes 901 & 23
Stops 4007/4008 to 5517
while you are in the 'picky' mood - 'Belconnen Community Bus Station'? Did you mean Belconnen Interchange?

743

Namatjira Dr (Stirling/Fisher) to Cooleman Court
Routes 63 & 70
Stops 1259 & 1263

vnguyen

#41
Southern Cross Drive to Belconnen
44 & R2
4327 & 4328

narc855

Barr Smith Av & Derrington Cr to Tuggeranong Interchange
1696 (78) or 1660 (81)

Tbh I think this is not a good game... many answers are just about the loop route (like 901 and 78 has been mentioned a lot of time) and the validation of answer is also tricky.

743

Quote from: narc855 on March 22, 2022, 11:56:45 AMTbh I think this is not a good game... many answers are just about the loop route

Well I'll say from my view that this is an amazing game - thank you Barry! It requires some critical thinking about the network and I enjoy that.

I haven't submitted any of these "loop route" answers because I view those particular routes as bidirectional runs that are basically scheduled as loops to save on layover time - they're not designed to be used as a loop by passengers.

Some of the ones with a bigger 'turning circle' (like the 54 at Majura Park) might have some crossover of inbound and outbound passenger boardings, but aren't designed to be used as a full return. Others like the 78 don't have any unique inbound and outbound stops - it's essentially a route that terminates at Chisholm Shops without layover time. That's my view anyway, I can see why these answers have been submitted.

Anyway. Here's a bit of a sneaky one but let's see how I go:

Paperbark St (and TBH a whole chunk of Conder and Banks) to Lanyon Marketplace
Routes 80 & 180
Stops 1681 & 1682

 :P

Sylvan Loves Buses

#44
I don't mind it either, I just need help understanding or clarifying certain specifics about it.

Quote from: triumph on March 21, 2022, 10:20:49 PMDid you mean Belconnen Interchange?
Probably, if the morons who are constantly changing everything too often changed the name of a bus station, then whatever. I don't care, I'll keep calling it what it was. I don't believe that station deserves that title given what use to be there.


I don't see anything else now, I'm gonna try sneaky answers too

Giralang - Chuculba Cres
Route 23 to Belconnen & 30 (Dickson bound only)
Stops 4052/4053 & 4040

✅ I assume you're saying the origin is 4052/4053 and the destination is 4040? That's definitely sneaky.

Barry Drive

Quote from: narc855 on March 22, 2022, 11:56:45 AMTbh I think this is not a good game... many answers are just about the loop route (like 901 and 78 has been mentioned a lot of time) and the validation of answer is also tricky.
The game's good. The problem was I didn't anticipate the loops being relied on for answers. I will agree the rules are a bit technical - I'm even having trouble working out what may or may not be considered valid.

I'm actually quite surprised (and impressed) by the level of creativity being displayed in some of the answers.

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on March 22, 2022, 02:21:52 PMI don't see anything else now, I'm gonna try sneaky answers too

Giralang - Chuculba Cres
Route 23 to Belconnen & 30 (Dickson bound only)
Stops 4052/4053 & 4040
Still a few left (that don't rely on loops). Such as:

Stops 4040/4041 (Chuculba Cres), Routes 23 & 30 to Belconnen Interchange etc.

743

#46
Uniting Eabrai to Weston Valley Archery Club
Routes R7 & 66
Stops 2200 & 2690 (to Stops 2820/2821)

✅ the rules only referred to "same destination" without requiring it be at the same stop.
⚠️ in this case, the reverse direction will not be allowed as a valid answer.

Sylvan Loves Buses

#47
Yup, my first stop numbers are always my departure location.

I'm having a hard time finding these non-loop options you mention, I can only find ridiculously sneaky ones.

John Gorton Dr to Cotter Road
Routes 66 (Woden bound) & R10
Stops 2809/2810 to 2812

✅ yep, that was one, although my version was from the other end: Denman Prospect shops to Cotter Road.
This answer covers all paired stops from DP through to 2809/2810

narc855

#48
Quote from: Barry Drive on March 22, 2022, 03:07:27 PMI'm actually quite surprised (and impressed) by the level of creativity being displayed in some of the answers.

Okay here is a creative (or tricky) one.
Dickson Interchange on Northbourne Ave to City Interchange
Stop 4552 (50/51) and stop 8120 (R1).

❌ tricky, also known as invalid. The title and rules refer to "bus routes" and "bus stops". 8120 & R1 do not qualify as either.

The answer might be acceptable in the event of a scheduled (not emergency) full length bustitution.

743

Mirrabei Drive to Gungahlin Place
Routes 20 & 27
Stops 4808 & 4874

Barry Drive

Mort Street (stops 3410 & 3413) to Ainslie Avenue (3055).

Routes 53 & 55

743

McBryde Cres to Tuggeranong Interchange
Routes 72 & 74
Stops 1176 & 1177

Sylvan Loves Buses

As this was one of those duplicate answers, can we say this one counts as this combo is only possible (imo) with the 58. That other answer can have the 57/59 combo?

Melbourne Avenue to Launceston Street
Routes 58 & 59
Stops 2216/2594 to 2031

vnguyen

#53
Ashley Drive (Isabella Plains/Richardson) to Erindale

75 & R5
1840 & 1841

743

Calwell Park & Ride to Chisholm Shops
Routes 76 & 182
Stops 1091 & 1093

vnguyen

Staying on the same stop but with different routes and destination.

Ashley Drive (Isabella Plains/Richardson) to Chisholm Shops

75 & 182
1840 & 1841

743

Gungahlin Place to Westfield Belconnen
Routes 23 & R8
Stops 7011 & 7012

vnguyen

The last one that I can find.

Heagney Cres, Richardson to Tuggeranong.

78 from 1495 (Chisholm loop again)
76 from 1496

743

Dickson Shops - Antill St to City Interchange
Routes 50 & 53
Stops 4585 & 4586

Northside

Lanyon marketplace to city
Northern stop 180/181
Southern stop 180/182

vnguyen

#60
Weston Creek Terminus to Woden Interchange.

64 & 65
2139 & 1637

I'm not sure if this is valid, but the stops are on opposite sides of the street.

❌ not valid. The maps don't reflect reality - 2139 (R7 & 64) will actually depart from the back of the Terminus building.

vnguyen

#61
Quote from: vnguyen on April 02, 2022, 12:16:59 PMWeston Creek Terminus to Woden Interchange.

64 & 65
2139 & 1637

I'm not sure if this is valid, but the stops are on opposite sides of the street.

❌ not valid. The maps don't reflect reality - 2139 (R7 & 64) will actually depart from the back of the Terminus building.

So is there a penalty?  Do I need to wait to post another one?

Barry Drive

Quote from: vnguyen on April 04, 2022, 12:28:56 PMSo is there a penalty?  Do I need to wait to post another one?
The penalty is to wait for another correct answer. In which case, I'll submit this (I can't find any previous entry which would deem this to be invalid)-

Chisholm Shops to Tuggeranong Interchange: Stop 1148, Route 78; Stop 1147, Route 75

vnguyen

Trying a sneaky one here. Narrabundah Shops to Narrabundah College.
(And similar stops)

56 from 2351
902  from 2350 (Hume loop)

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Barry Drive on April 04, 2022, 03:09:24 PMChisholm Shops to Tuggeranong Interchange: Stop 1148, Route 78; Stop 1147, Route 75

We've already had a 75/78 combination though.

Barry Drive

Game is not yet over.

Stops 1170/1174
Routes 72 & 74 to Tuggeranong

vnguyen

If you say so

Trying another sneaky one. Ainslie Ave (and consecutive stops) to City Interchange.

54/55 from 3055 (both loop services)
53 from 3056

Barry Drive

#67
See if I can remember how this works.

From Network 23: Stop 4229 Kerrigan St - 41 to Belconnen; Stop 4230 Kerrigan St - 42 to Belconnen

(Also nearby stops on Tillyard Drive)