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Discussion => Routes and Timetables => Topic started by: CNG on September 24, 2014, 09:21:09 PM

Title: STAG Approved runs
Post by: CNG on September 24, 2014, 09:21:09 PM
I was interested could someone give me a list of the current STAG approved runs?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
The ones I know of are...
300 Series (300,313,314,315,318,319,343)
200 Series (200 and 202 only)
2, 3, 4, 5 (I think - they were on the old network - not much has changed so I'd say they could be still)
7 (not sure about the Museum bit)
8
12/712
13/313
14/314/714
15/315
18/318/718*
19/319/719*
31
39
40 (I think only the school one from near Jamison to Belco is done by one though)
43/343/743*
705 (they can get through Cooleman Court apparently)
720 (actually is...including Farrer Terminus)
749
775

*=Not including deviations through schools e.g. Covenant CLG and Macgregor PS


I hope that helps. It may not be 100% accurate though. Maybe one of the drivers could help out here...
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 400 on September 24, 2014, 11:11:23 PM
I know for certain that a 250 is on a stag shift.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 08:00:09 PM
Quote from: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
The ones I know of are...
300 Series (300,313,314,315,318,319,343)
200 Series (200 and 202 only)
2, 3, 4, 5 (I think - they were on the old network - not much has changed so I'd say they could be still)
7 (not sure about the Museum bit)
8
12/712
13/313
14/314/714
15/315
18/318/718*
19/319/719*
31
39
40 (I think only the school one from near Jamison to Belco is done by one though)
43/343/743*
705 (they can get through Cooleman Court apparently)
720 (actually is...including Farrer Terminus)
749
775


not so sure about 8, never seen STAG on 8
7 is fully STAG approved
haven't seen STAG on 2 and 3 yet, have seen STAG and 4 and 5 in the new network
not so sure about 31, especially the roundabout in Kaleen
40 has quite a few STAG runs, can't remember which ones, a few in the morning and a few in the arvo, including the short one
Have seen STAG on 39
720's been using STAG since the last network, pretty sure 732 is approved as well
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on September 25, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 08:00:09 PM
not so sure about 8, never seen STAG on 8
720's been using STAG since the last network, pretty sure 732 is approved as well

The 8 says it is Steer-Tag accessible according to driver lefts and rights.
Yes, I may have missed the 250 and 732...
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: King of Buses on September 25, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
The 8 says it is Steer-Tag accessible according to driver lefts and rights.
Yes, I may have missed the 250 and 732...

think 1 is only not STAG approved because of the roundabout at Lyneham shops, otherwise would be STAG approved as it's mostly 3+8 (kinda)
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on September 25, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
Approval has nothing to do with roundabouts or road design. Routes 16 and 17 are ideally suited road wise for STAG use but are not approved.
Now that Erindale had been fixed the is not a run on the network that couldn't be STAG approved. They are just as maneuverable as any 12.5m bus.
If Roads ACT used the technical data for the buses instead of just lumping them with b-doubles then we would have all route availability.
On a side note, no coach in excess of 12.5m can feasibly operate in the ACT under the current approved routes. There is technically no access to many of the sightseeing attractions that you see these restricted access buses at everyday.
It appears ACTION are the only operator to actually have the correct approvals to operate restricted access buses/coaches.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 09:44:06 PM
If thats the case,
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on September 26, 2014, 09:46:36 PM
I'd put money that it will get around without hassle. Those roundabouts are built to be driven over (the lower bit).
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: CNG on September 27, 2014, 10:33:42 AM
Those Gunghalin runs such as a 51 would be near impossible for a STAG however I think they should be approved on the 16 and 17.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on September 27, 2014, 01:04:52 PM
Not correct. Pretty much anywhere a rigid 12.5m can go the STAGs will get through. The only time you have an issue is at really sharp turns where you need to drive the wheelbase into an intersection before you start your turn.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Barry Drive on September 27, 2014, 02:33:10 PM
Remember, just because a route is STAG approved doesn't mean that any of its runs are STAG operated. For Network 14, STAGs are almost only run on Blue Rapids (plus local variations such as 13, 14, 18, 19, 43 etc.), 200 and 250. Despite being approved, I don't know of any Xpressos (other than 705) that are on STAG shifts, and there are only a few suburban routes (12, 39 & 40).

A few other comments:

Quote from: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 09:44:06 PM
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...
What would you say then, if I told you that the old route 770 was STAG approved - which included the said Longmore / Langdon intersection?

Quote from: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 08:00:09 PM
7 is fully STAG approved
No, it isn't.

Quote from: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
43/343/743*

*=Not including deviations through schools e.g. Covenant CLG and Macgregor PS
Yes, it is: Macgregor PS deviation is approved.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: lukeo25 on September 27, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
I don't think the 21/22 is a stag approved route due to the tight corner from Plunkett St onto Maclaurin Crescent in Chifley especially with all the cars which park on the street.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 27, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
Interesting that the old 770 was approved. The Langdon/Longmore intersection wouldn't be much of an issue given it travelled straight through it. The turn from Gaunson into Langdon was rarely made without the trailer of an artic clipping a kerb, and the Bugden/Bramston intersection often resulted in buses letting the cars go first, or the cars stopping well back from the stop line.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on September 27, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
You people don't listen real well!
Approval has nothing to do with the tightness of turns unless the bus has to cross to the wrong side of road.
Has more to do with bridges and runs that ACTION have applied to have approved.
The roads on the route are what is approved, so no matter what run the bus is on it can use said roads.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on September 27, 2014, 11:28:42 PM
If 7 is not fully STAG approved, how do you explain this?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on September 27, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
Wrong desto, driver was scrolling through destos when lights changed and stopped on Route 7. Covering a breakdown. Deliberately trying to mislead the ACTBUS nuffy squad.

Plenty of possibilities
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on September 28, 2014, 09:16:53 AM
it was genuinely doing a rt 7, so perhaps it was covering a breakdown. but i've seen it in the morning quite a few times, can't remember the exact time but about 8 ish
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on November 17, 2014, 05:49:25 PM
I've never seen STAG's operating on weekends. Is there any reason for this?


Quote from: The Love Guru on September 25, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
Approval has nothing to do with roundabouts or road design. Routes 16 and 17 are ideally suited road wise for STAG use but are not approved.
Now that Erindale had been fixed the is not a run on the network that couldn't be STAG approved. They are just as maneuverable as any 12.5m bus.
I don't see why they don't use STAGs on 900.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on November 17, 2014, 09:10:06 PM
probably because they don't want anything other than WB buses out on weekends (iris.......)
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on November 17, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
Quote from: Skitube on November 17, 2014, 09:10:06 PM
probably because they don't want anything other than WB buses out on weekends (iris.......)

That makes sense. and because weekend routes are so horrible, people would want to cycle to the nearest major bus point.

Should they put out STAGs over non-wheelchair access buses in case of WB bus shortage on weekends?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Barry Drive on November 17, 2014, 09:36:34 PM
One word: WHY?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Buzz Killington on November 17, 2014, 09:54:47 PM
Aside from the 900 I doubt patronage would be of a level to necessitate the use of STAGs on weekends.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Skitube on November 17, 2014, 11:58:25 PM
even when there are special events on weekends, only artics tend to come out for those, not STags, but I have seen STags on belco-AIS for games before
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 400 on November 18, 2014, 06:54:24 AM
Quote from: Buzz Killington on November 17, 2014, 09:54:47 PM
Aside from the 900 I doubt patronage would be of a level to necessitate the use of STAGs on weekends.
I don't know,  those 981's can be popular.....

On a serious note though, around peak time some of the 950's & 980's (Fyshwick to City) can be pretty popular.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on November 18, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Bus 400 on November 18, 2014, 06:54:24 AM
I don't know,  those 981's can be popular.....

I don't think its what you meant, but STAGs going through the Arboretum to that small carpark on the northern side of it...and up Black Mtn. That would be fun.

Tuggers Depot also don't send out artics on weekends even though there is artW shifts. Either something to do with not enough patronage or giving the STAGs and artics a 'rest'. Not including the special services and that though...both depots often send out both for these (the STAGs less so)
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on June 01, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
I'm not sure whats up with the artics this morning, but I've only seen two around and a lot of runs which are normally run by artics being run by other buses including busy school runs (like 876 on S/R 897) and other runs (like 565 on a 19S)

Though I did learn that S/R 651 is now STAG accessible apparently...whether that be legally approved or just allocated, I don't know. But it had 470 this morning. It made the Mackillop CLG Isa driveway by the looks of it too so I guess that was the only bit not approved to my knowledge...

Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: The Love Guru on June 01, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
Private access roads to schools etc don't require approval, similar to the ANU
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on June 01, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: King of Buses on June 01, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
I'm not sure whats up with the artics this morning, but I've only seen two around and a lot of runs which are normally run by artics being run by other buses including busy school runs (like 876 on S/R 897) and other runs (like 565 on a 19S)

My morning bus usually done by a tuggies artic didn't even turn up this morning, I had to wait 20 minutes for the next bus... So whatever this is may explain it
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on June 01, 2015, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: The Love Guru on June 01, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
Private access roads to schools etc don't require approval, similar to the ANU

Well...the 651, 606 and probably several other School runs are STAG approved...even if it is a tight squeeze especially when cars are parked parallel to the bus at Mackillop...

Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 01, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
My morning bus usually done by a artic didn't even turn up this morning, I had to wait 20 minutes for the next bus... So whatever this is may explain it

I saw 536 on S/R 568 and 527 on a 313...I didn't see any artics anywhere else like I normally would...not even at T Depot (includes Workshops!). Does anyone actually know anything about this?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 503 on June 01, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
834 was running about 20 minutes late today - instead if coming at 8:15 it came at 8:35 at the City, this was a Tuggy artic shift

I saw a STAG displaying 57 on the desto today on Northbourne Ave near the Pavillion - I think this means the 57 is STAG approved.


Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on September 08, 2015, 06:52:26 PM
467 ran a 61 and a 21 last night...as well as a 25 (but that is actually STAG approved...actually, hang on, no. I don't think the back of Westfield is. Maybe the 25 isn't but the 725 is :/). Usually a Renault PR100.2 (or a .3 sometimes). Not sure how it would've gone in Wanniassa, Chifley or Pearce...
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 503 on June 27, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
466 operated the 8:12AM route 30 from the City to Belconnen. I didn't know the route 30 was STAG approved. Normally this shift receives a Belconnen-based low-floor standard bus.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on June 13, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
Have any of the numbers changed from this list as of the latest network change? I'm interested to know now too.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on June 13, 2017, 11:44:39 PM
The approved runs at present that I am aware of are:

2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12/712, 313, 14/314/714, 15/315, 16/316, 717, 18/318/718, 19/318/319, 725, 726, 39, 40, 43/343/743, 744, 54/254, 200, 202, 250, 300, 668, 705, 720, 732, 749.


There are other runs which could be approved based on approved roads, but aren't as far as I know actually approved routes (i.e. 17, 44, 11A, 775).
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Sylvan Loves Buses on June 14, 2017, 03:10:15 AM
That's so few, I'm surprised.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 09:44:06 PM
If thats the case,
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...


483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: King of Buses on February 16, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 PM

483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.

Looks like someone stuffed up...

The 65 (nor 171, which it is now doing) is not approved in the entirety to allow STAGs to legally operate those runs, as far as I'm aware.

Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 503 on February 16, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 PM

483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.

Sorry, off topic, but what program are you using to track the buses? Is it an app? If so, what app?
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on February 18, 2018, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Bus 503 on February 16, 2018, 08:28:05 PM
Sorry, off topic, but what program are you using to track the buses? Is it an app? If so, what app?
Tripmate on android. Can't search by bus but will give you bus number and location for any service you select as long as the nxtbus systemof that bus thinks its currently doing that run (so from when the system concludes the previous service and before it commences the next service).
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 503 on April 14, 2018, 12:33:11 PM
There was a shift on the route 4 that was being run by a STAG during the 2017–2018 summer holidays reduced timetable.
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Bus 503 on May 01, 2018, 09:35:42 PM
Bus 467 did SR823 today (normally covered by an articulated bus).
Title: Re: STAG Approved runs
Post by: Busfanatic101 on March 21, 2019, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 PM483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.
Just had a STAG come through on a 65 again, second time ever.