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#61

Route Designs / Xpresso Suggestions

Last post by Bus 400 - December 07, 2025, 06:06:34 PM

Whilst I work in Fyshwick & live in the inner north, so I get to see a big chunk of peak hour traffic. 

Here's a couple of Xpressos I'd include. All Xpressos could be routed via new/existing Park & Ride locations. 

720 Casey to Fyshwick via Horse Park Drive, Majura Parkway & Airport loop. With the addition of a Park & Ride near Taylor, Jacka, Amaroo, Bonner, Forde & Throsby/Harrison

721 Amaroo to Barton via Horse Park Drive to Casey, Casey Marketplace, Gungahlin Drive, Gungahlin Interchange, Gungahlin Drive, Parkes Way, Russell, Kings Avenue.

740 Kippax to Barton via William Hovell Drive, Parkes Way via 721 above.

741 Spence to Barton via Kingsford Smith Drive, Southern Cross Drive, Coulter Drive, William Hovell as per 721.

750 Kippax to Fyshwick via William Hovell Drive, Parkes Way, Edinburgh Avenue, City Loop, Parkes Way, Morshead Drive, Majura Parkway Gladstone St.*
*If you don't leave Fyshwick before 5pm, Gladstone Street & surrounding streets back up for 20+ minutes.

765 Weston Creek to Russell via Hindmarsh Drive, Cooleman Court, Streeton Drive, Cotter Road, Adelaide Avenue, State Circle, Canberra Avenue, National Circuit, Kings Avenue

770 Erindale to City via Wanniassa, Kambah West P&R, Kambah Village, Tuggeranong Parkway.

I could probably think of more.

#62

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by L94UBbusfan - December 07, 2025, 04:38:13 PM

If you combine the 12 with the 40/42, Kippax to Belconnen still has a 15 minuteish frequency.

If the 12 and 40/42 are timetabled like that (which it won't be) then I suppose it will do the job linking Belconnen and Kippax temporarily, but I'd still like to see the rapid kept (or have the 12 running at a rapid frequency)

Hopefully the R4 should be getting more STAG runs than there are currently, they are perfect for the intertown corridor and there aren't enough running in the current timetable. I swear I see so many STAGs either sitting in the depot or on some random R6 at 3pm with 5 people on it. I'm interested to see just how many more Artics/STAGs appear on the R4 in the update compared to currently.

#63

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by Sylvan Loves Buses - December 07, 2025, 03:22:23 PM

this isn't so much a 'new network' rather than a temporary network

Well it's enough of a change that it requires downloading/creating a completely new set of timetables for those who still rely on that method. Especially for all those local route time changes, yikes.

#64

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by Bus 400 - December 07, 2025, 12:13:02 PM

As long as someone promotes it & is timetabled correctly. If you combine the 12 with the 40/42, Kippax to Belconnen still has a 15 minuteish frequency. At the moment people will miss the R2, but the 40 will leave Kippax with no new passengers.

#65

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by Busnerd - December 07, 2025, 11:45:02 AM

Remember this isn't so much a 'new network' rather than a temporary network who's entire purpose is reducing delays to services due to the bridge works.

Tuggeranong didn't get 'screwed over', it got an extended R5, and higher capacity vehicles allocated to existing R4s, as said above the R2 and R3 were cut as the run time once delays are involved, although less so with the R3 than R2, would cause rostering/driver issues more than anything else which causes flow on impacts to reliability to service.

They have said they will monitor and make changes as required, which may be hard given the unreliability of MyWay+ but hopefully they take feedback and listen to it.

All going well the network will revert back once the works are completed.

#66

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by triumph - December 06, 2025, 10:11:10 PM

I don't live in Belconnen so I don't care - I'm so beyond giving a rat anymore so it's about time they felt what us Valley residents have been putting up with for the last 20+ years for once.

When you know what several decades of built-up resentment feels like, you let me know yeah.

Yes, so hard putting up with R service all the way to the City via suburbs from Lanyon, R service direct via Woden to the City and Belconnen from Tuggeranong, the ONLY peak hour express services in the entire network, 180, 181, and 182 between Lanyon and the City, and a suburb network similar to other areas. 

#67

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by L94UBbusfan - December 06, 2025, 08:29:11 PM

I absolutely love the idea of having peak hour service from Fraser/Spence to City like the 712/743, they really should have done it, peak hour R2s are pretty busy already and cutting the Rapid will only make this much worse. Would also have loved to see a Belconnen to Woden express service like the old 749, but that was never gonna happen unfortunately.

A few points to clarify, firstly the R2/R3 cut is due to run times, particularly an issue with the R2 which is already an incredibly long run in peak, adding in time to get across commonwealth Ave would make the run simply too long and nearly impossible to schedule as it would be at the point where you could only get one into a single 5hr block  with insufficient time to return and there isn't enough services from Fraser/Fyshwick to avoid excessive amounts of dead running. Also with the amount of late running expected through the city this will provide a more reliable service to the suburbs.

I understand the R3, the local section never really needed to be a rapid and it's probably better off as a local service starting and ending at Belconnen (probably also more straightforward for tourists at the airport who don't know where "Spence" is either) but I'm more annoyed at the fact they've cut the R2 beyond Belconnen, and with it the Belconnen-Kippax rapid link. This section has had a form of rapid route with at least a 15 minute frequency for at least 15 years, if not longer. It's also worth considering the new development in the Ginninderry region will make Kippax a more important group centre than it is currently. It would have been much better to have the R2 going from Kippax-Fyswhick instead, keeping the Belconnen-Kippax rapid link. It is worth noting that we still don't know the frequencies of the 12/13 yet, so it could be like the 59 (which covers a former R5 section) with a 15 minute frequency on weekdays, which would be good, although that would mean like the 59 1 or 2 hour frequencies on weekends.

With Strathnairn School opening in 2026, pity only the 903 will service the school students & commuters. I assume the little buses will be out less.

I'm disappointed they didn't give Strathnairn a full time bus service which links to Belconnen considering they've cut the Rapid connection at Kippax, although the usage of more standard buses will make it more like a regular service. I'm also a bit disappointed (but not surprised) to see no services to the new section of Denman Prospect and Jacka, but there may not be enough demand, buses, or drivers to support these services currently.

The R6 baffles me, that route is already long enough and I have no doubt people are going to dumb and get it thinking it'll get to Woden quicker now that the R4 is going to be screwed again.

Along with the R2/R3 cuts, I really don't understand the R5/R6 extension to Belconnen. I get it's for capacity, but both services currently take 50 minutes to complete their current Lanyon/Woden to City ANU route, add an extra 20-25 minutes on top of that to get to Belconnen plus navigating the bridge roadworks and that's a roughly 75 minute service. Why'd they cut the R2 again? Oh yeah, because it was too long, yet the current R2 has a timetabled block time of 72 minutes, 3 minutes less. Makes sense 

#68

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by Sylvan Loves Buses - December 06, 2025, 06:53:48 PM

I don't live in Belconnen so I don't care - I'm so beyond giving a rat anymore so it's about time they felt what us Valley residents have been putting up with for the last 20+ years for once.

When you know what several decades of built-up resentment feels like, you let me know yeah.

#69

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by CBRFlyer - December 06, 2025, 06:49:07 PM

I strongly suggest you read properly the reason for the extension of rapids to Belconnen (ie the large cut in frequency) as well as the disadvantages to Belconnen residents (cuts to the R2 and R3) before commenting further....

#70

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network update from Monday...

Last post by Sylvan Loves Buses - December 06, 2025, 06:40:47 PM

I asked Chris Steel when he came along to the PTCBR AGM "when are you going to stop screwing Tuggeranong Valley?" Here's another network where there's what appears to be a complete disregard for anything south of Woden and increasing the ease for people north of the City... so typical. Belconnen to City is getting 5 rapids now, that's so fair.

The R6 baffles me, that route is already long enough and I have no doubt people are going to dumb and get it thinking it'll get to Woden quicker now that the R4 is going to be screwed again.